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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 06:59 PM Original message |
SAF sues New York State over need provision in state law |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not directly our fignt, but the more we beat Bloomie and his fellow travellers back |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Former 50 year resident of NYS |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Question for you.. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Sometimes, you don't know you need a gun until it is too late. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I have defened myself twice |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What's your point? nt |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Having partaken in numerous fisticuffs |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Friend (4' 8" woman) was a second degree black belt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. My training and size are well in excess of your friend's, but I still prefer a firearm |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Why did they run away then? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Who knows, noob thugs perhaps? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Touched her shoulder, and she instinctively attacked them? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. And you can guarantee this will be the result.... |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I cannot guarantee my method will produce those results 100% of the time |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
39. Maybe they wanted directions, and fled when some person flipped out on them? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Handy in that instance |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. So she scared away an undetermined unarmed non-attacker in a public place n/t |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Was your friend 78? Was she disabled? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Why spend years and LOTS of money learn how to hurt someone? |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. She competed in state championships |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. And I've competed in state championships in USPSA. So what? |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Someone else mentioned it was a lot of money |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. And self defense is not my main reason in competing in USPSA. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. So what do you recommend for people... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. And if they stood 2 feet away and pointed a pistol at her.... |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. Smart thing would not be to have a gun |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. You got lucky that your crooks were easily frightened. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Not as a young woman. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. I am a retired private investigator. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. And what would have happened in the unlikely event ... |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I pushed the window fan out |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Very good ... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 05:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Can you guarantee that all crooks will be afraid of a falling fan? |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Metal fan with blades still turning? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. You are lucky he didn't file assault charges. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. The only thing important to her |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. She may have "her reality" bite her if she continues. n/t |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Given that these things happened 30, 40 years ago, |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. He was on our property |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. I don't say it, but the LAW might. Learn the LAWS that affect your rights. n/t |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Reflexes. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. That reminds me |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Too bad you didn't have an anvil handy |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
32. For half the price of a decent |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You are completely correct. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. As I said previously, my husband HAD A GUN |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. What does this antecdote prove? nt |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Next time I'm in NY |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. So diamond dealers and bankers protecting themseleves are more important than |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Diamonds are a girls best friend... or so they say. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Apparently |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. I don't think that's actually HockeyMom's personal opinion |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I went to college with a young woman |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. So was the gun for *her* protection? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Germans were very NATO friendly. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
29. "gun loving husband" ... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. I guess they need to demonstrate where the "department of need" is and what the rules are. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Makes as much moral sense as demonstrating a need to speak or vote or assemble or worship. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. It is simple you don't have need if you are not rich or a minority |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Gun control is as racist and classist today as it was historically |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. The whole point of NYC's Sullivan Law was to disarm people of the "wrong" ethnicity... |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
55. Schools both in NY and Florida |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You can carry on school grounds in Utah.... |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I work in Florida |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. How about this Texas school that made arming teachers a matter of policy? |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I work in a school with kids |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Cannot recall the state but there was a small rural school that made headlines |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. This was in rural Texas. Don't remember the town... n/t |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Thanks for helping narrow that down. Found a story on it for citation. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You had two armed deputies on campus ... |
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