GUNS IN THE NEWS--January 16, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Gun vote targets Doyle's big speech (WI)

Typical GOP pandering to gun nuts...

"Madison - Senate leaders Thursday threw Gov. Jim Doyle a curveball by scheduling an attempted override of his veto of a concealed weapons bill on the same day he was to hold center stage with his annual "state of the state" address.
The governor said the timing would present two very different visions for Wisconsin. While his speech will focus on "how we move Wisconsin forward," Doyle said, the Senate is "going to be again focusing on guns."
Doyle said it was telling that Wednesday's vote was first announced on the Internet site of the NRA.
"Apparently, (Senate Republicans) informed the NRA before they informed me or the citizens of Wisconsin," the governor said."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jan04/200343.asp

[MrBenchley]

2. Gun Measure Sticking Point in U.S. Spending Bill

This is why "Republicans" and "bad government" are synonymous.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A little-noticed amendment in a $375 billion catchall federal spending bill may well constitute the opening shot in an election-year fight over gun policy, lobbyists and congressional aides said on Thursday.
The amendment, backed by the National Rifle Association, requires gun purchase records destroyed in 24 hours, instead of the current 90 days, if someone passes the background check required for some gun purchases.
Several groups promoting tougher gun laws say the measure proposed by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Kansas Republican, would make it harder to track guns used in crimes, investigate shady gun dealers, or even track down someone plotting a terror attack who might buy guns in the United States.
They say it would also make it much harder for victims of gun violence to file civil lawsuits because they would not be able to get access to firearms sales records and gun trace data. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040115/us_nm/congress_guns_dc_1

[MrSandman]

3. Not maintaining a dossier on citizens

is bad because...?

[MrBenchley]

4. Hahahahahahahaha....

[MrSandman]

6. Right,

because it is funny...!

[MrBenchley]

8. It's hilarious

especially considering how many gun porn threads the RKBA crowd has started to show off their lethal toys.

It's almost as funny as those cries that they need to be anonymous because their popguns make them less and not more likely to be victims of crime.

[slackmaster]

16. I think MrBenchley is referring to concealed-carry permit holders here

It's almost as funny as those cries that they need to be anonymous because their popguns make them less and not more likely to be victims of crime.

We wouldn't want to infringe on the newspapers' right to publish the names of women who are carrying weapons to protect themselves against estranged husbands or stalkers, rape victims, or people who carry cash or valuables on the job, would we?

[RoeBear]

26. Excellent point!

Whose hands will the blood be on when a stalker, estranged husband, rapist, or mugger targeting people who carry cash or valuables is forewarned that their intended victime is armed. WHO?

[RoeBear]

48. Why am I not surprised...

...at the non-answer.

[MrSandman]

55. What will NICS have?

Name, Physical description, Date of Purchase, Long gun or handgun. No More.

If particular information on a gun is needed, there is a permanent record (4413) maintained by the dealer--even at gun shows--which is turned over to BATF&E if the dealer closes.

These records are more dispersed, but much more detailed. If a particular gun is needing traced, it can be traced from manufacture to dealer to first buyer through the bound book and 4413. A secondhand sale will have a record at the dealer.

NICS can't tell difference between .22, shotgun, or so-called assault rifle.

Claiming that discarding centralized data will harm ability to "track" a weapon is, well, disingenuous.

[RoeBear]

27. That was the sinister laugh of...

...Big Brother, I assume?

[beevul]

7. Sheesh....

"A little-noticed amendment in a $375 billion catchall federal spending bill may well constitute the opening shot in an election-year fight over gun policy, lobbyists and congressional aides said on Thursday.
The amendment, backed by the National Rifle Association, requires gun purchase records destroyed in 24 hours, instead of the current 90 days, if someone passes the background check required for some gun purchases."


An amendment for the purposes of making happen what should have been happening from the get-go. Imagine that.

Correct me if I am wrong, someone, but doesn't the law concerning the records in question ALREADY say that they have to be destroyed immediately, or something along those lines?

Does it not also say that NO DATABASE OF ANY KIND may be kept?

I would think keeping records on a computer for 90 days would construe keeping some kind of database, short term, but nonetheless, a database. An ironic example of yet another law that has to be made because the one it is being made to fix ...well it just isn't being obeyed.(if memory serves)

[MrBenchley]

9. Too fucking funny

The NRA already lost this battle in court...and AshKKKroft tried to do it by decree and had to back down due to public outcry.

And I think the public certainly does have a right to know what sort of people are buying and keeping guns....and to insure that they're being sold and used responsibly...since they certainly AREN'T now.

And so does a majority of the public....as the DLC memo that the RKBA crowd was waving around on here (but, hilariously, hadn't read) showed quite clearly...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=29642&mesg_id=29642

[slackmaster]

12. That sounds decidedly un-American to me

And I think the public certainly does have a right to know what sort of people are buying and keeping guns....

This is the USA. We're not supposed to think of people as "sorts", "types", "crowds", etc.

And so does a majority of the public....as the DLC memo that the RKBA crowd was waving around on here (but, hilariously, hadn't read) showed quite clearly...

That would be the same majority that once opposed womens' suffrage and now opposes gay marriage.

[demsrule4life]

14. And very

progressive

[beevul]

15. How tragic for the anti-rkba crowd. N/T

[MrBenchley]

18. What, that the scummy Republicans are pushing gun rights?

It's a national tragedy that this ugly bunch is synonymous with bigotry and crime.

[slackmaster]

19. MrBenchley's own bias, not a "national tragedy"

Says the right to keep and bear arms is "synonymous with bigotry and crime".

Not all Republicans support the RKBA. Not all RKBA supporters are Republicans.

[MrBenchley]

38. Ricky Cullipher faces gun, drug charges (VA)

"HAMPTON -- A Hampton vice unit patrolling Phoebus on Wednesday afternoon spotted a familiar face: Ricky Cullipher Jr. Shortly afterward, the 23-year-old - no stranger to law enforcement - was in handcuffs after police discovered a handgun and marijuana in his 2003 Cadillac Escalade.
The Daily Press introduced readers to Cullipher in a series of articles in the fall of 1999.
In February 1997, Cullipher - then 16 - was convicted of malicious wounding and a firearms charge in the shooting of a 15-year-old friend, Danny Caldwell, in 1996. After several appeals, Hampton Circuit Court Judge William C. Andrews III sentenced Cullipher to nine years in adult prison.
Andrews' appointment to the bench is currently up for renewal by the General Assembly. Del. Tom Gear, R-Hampton, has opposed Andrews' reappointment citing the Cullipher case. "

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-43556sy0jan16,0,4034006.story?coll=dp-aol-yahoo-nws-hed

Amazing that Ricky doesn't have a job at a shooting range or gun store....Meanwhile, the GOP continnues to be synonymous with rotten government...

"HAMPTON -- Del. Tom Gear's critics say he's trying to run Judge William C. Andrews III off the Hampton Circuit Court bench so his sister can replace Andrews.
Gear first ran for the General Assembly in 2001, in part, because his sister, Kathy Gear Owens, was denied a judgeship for the second time.
Many lawyers and others have speculated about the possibility of Gear's sister becoming a judge since November, when Gear announced he hopes to keep Andrews from receiving another eight-year term."

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-38024sy0jan09,0,1776159.story?coll=dp-news-local-final

[demsrule4life]

39. Bench Bench Bench

Post correctly otherwise you will confuse people.

[MrBenchley]

40. Sure thing, dems......

[slackmaster]

43. Hahahahahahahaha

:evilgrin:

[slackmaster]

42. Gee Bench

Responding to my post, after pretending to have me on "Ignore" for so many days.

[RoeBear]

47. What is it with some people using their ignore function...

...so much. They must be very afraid of not being able to control themselves and follow the rules here.

[MrSandman]

56. No wonder they don't trust others to control themselves when armed

[MrBenchley]

57. Got that right

Look at the the daily dose of dishonesty, hysteria and rage exhibited here by the RKBA crowd....

Clearly for some people, ethics, rationality and citizenship count for nothing...and as we saw from the story of the numbnutz at the Florida range, or young Ricky here, such people are drawn to guns as a handy tool to demonstrate that lack of values.

[MrSandman]

58. And I defended either's behavior how?

That judge has what to do with guns in the news?

[MrBenchley]

59. No wonder others ought not be trusted with weapons

[MrSandman]

60. Speaking of myself...

I have not been convicted of shooting a 15 year old and sentenced to an uncompleted prison term...neither do I have a record of obstructing a police officer.

I see nothing that suggests either referenced individual are eligible to own a handgun under current law.

Please do not assume that I paint with as broad a brush as some.

[MrBenchley]

17. Yeah, it is...

Keeping the public safe from an irresponsible and corrupt special interest.

[RoeBear]

10. How does this stop...

...an investigation?

"the measure proposed by U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Kansas Republican, would make it harder to track guns used in crimes, investigate shady gun dealers, or even track down someone plotting a terror attack who might buy guns in the United States."

This is what happens when a gun is found at a crime scene (this is how it's been for years)

Law enforcement finds gun:

LE contacts manufacturer, who says they sold it to XYZ Distributors

LE contacts distributor, who sold it to the ABC Gun Shop

LE contacts gun shop, who sold it to Lunatic Asswipe of Alabama

Mr Asswipe gets a knock on his door from LE


The difference between this scenario and the one where the database is employed is that LE had to wait for a crime to be committed before the could go a door knocking.

[MrBenchley]

5. Condition Worsens For Man Shot During Robbery Attempt (MO)

"A liquor-store employee shot during an attempted robbery last week is struggling to stay alive, KMBC's Emily Aylward reported.
Stephan Eads was shot once in the chest when three men burst into Kerns Liquor. A surveillance camera caught the attack on tape. Three men rushed into the Independence store with guns drawn. Eads ducked behind the counter. One of the attackers reached over and fired a bullet through Eads' left lung, and the clerk fired back, just missing the head of the gunman. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_kmbc/1959627

[MrBenchley]

11. One Killed In Spartanburg County Shooting

"Spartanburg County sheriff's deputies are investigating a fatal shooting near Chesnee Thursday night.
Deputies were called to 314 Thompson Road off Highway 221 just after 9:15 p.m. and found a man with a gunshot wound.
He died a short time later at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center. His identity has not been released pending notification of his next of kin. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_wyff/1960426

[MrBenchley]

13. Police Officer Shot While Serving Warrant (MA)

"A Boston police officer was shot early Friday morning while serving a warrant at a house on West Street in Quincy, Mass.
Officials said the officer is a member of the city's Youth Violence Strike Force and was serving a warrant on an individual identified as Horatio Mays.
Police said the gunman then barricaded himself inside a residence. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_WCVB/1960606

[Romulus]

20. Update on Apartment Shooting Incident (CO)

I don't remember seeing anything here about this - Karan

http://www.kjct8.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=2706

*snip*

Resident Joseph Moyano heard his apartment door being kicked open. He retrieved his handgun and went to his bedroom door.

He ordered the men to leave. Instead the intruders backed Moyano into his bedroom. When he tried to call police, the un-named intruder knocked the cell phone from Moyano's hand, while Baca tried to grab Mayono's gun. The gun went off and the bullet hit Baca's companion.

Baca ran from the scene -- leaving two women who had allegedly been taken against their will -- sitting in a pick-up outside. Baca was arrested later but posted $70,000 bond less than 24 hours after the alleged break-in and kidnapping. The other alleged intruder remains in St. Mary's Hospital. He suffered a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

*end*

Sounds like another armed homeowner "just itching to shoot the next door-knocker." :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

21. Sister Shot To Death, Brother Wounded Outside Algiers Bar (LA)

Another family made safer by guns....

"A woman was killed and her brother was injured Friday in a shooting that took place outside an Algiers lounge.
According to police, the siblings, along with two other people, were leaving a bar in the 3100 block of Gen. Meyer Boulevard at about 4 a.m. when gunfire erupted. The four got into a car and fled.
The woman, who was shot in the head, died. The man, who was shot several times in the torso, is in critical condition. Their names are being withheld pending notification of family members. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_wdsu/1960521

[Romulus]

23. seems more like random violent crime to me . . . (eom)

[MrBenchley]

22. Swyck Sentenced To Life (TX)

"Gary Swyck pleaded guilty today to the July 2003 shooting deaths of Kelly McKenon, her husband Michael Clark, and Brian BJ Kempkes. In July, Swyck held up police at bay in a Mustang Ridge area home for seven hours after the shootings."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=382&ncid=382&e=4&u=/keye/20040115/lo_keye/swycksentencedtolife

[MrBenchley]

24. Man In Critical Condition After Drive-By Shooting (FL)

"Larry Williams, 20, was shot outside his Dostie Drive home on the Northside just before 5 p.m.. At last report, he was in critical condition at Shands-Jacksonville Medical Center.
"They pulled out their weapons and (began) firing right before they got to the house, and they continued firing as they passed the house," Jacksonville Sheriff's Office spokesman Ken Jefferson said.
While neighbors heard more that a dozen shots fired, Williams was the only one hurt, although several nearby homes were hit by bullets. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=422&ncid=422&e=1&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_wjxt/1960670

[MrBenchley]

25. One Person Dead After Overnight Shooting (OK)

"One person was killed and two others wounded in an overnight shooting in west Oklahoma City.
Sgt. Greg Giltner said police called to an apartment complex about 11:30 p.m. found three people with gunshot wounds, one dead.
The alleged shooter had been in a relationship with one of the victims, he said. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_koco/1960905

[MrBenchley]

28. Bar Fight Ends In Shooting (MO)

"A dispute between two women ended in a shooting early Friday morning, KMBC reported.
The incident started around 2 a.m. inside Soakie's Bar, near 13th and Main. The altercation wound up outside the bar, where the shooting occurred. Police said one woman suffered a life-threatening injury when she was shot in the back. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_kmbc/1960777

[CO Liberal]

29. EDITORIAL: Crime gun sales continue to flourish (TN)

A newspaper's take on the story about those 120 gun dealers. - Wayne

* * * * *

Editorial 01/16: Crime gun sales continue to flourish
January 16, 2004

FIVE TENNESSEE gun shops are among 120 that led the nation from 1996 to 2000 in the sale of guns linked to crimes that also showed evidence of being illegally obtained, according to a recent Americans for Gun Safety Foundation report. Most are still open for business.

And while some of those dealers cite high sales volume as a logical explanation for large numbers of "crime gun" sales, AGSF researchers point out that many of the high-volume national chains don't show up on the list. Individual gun dealers, the organization insists, have to accept some of the responsibility.

<snip>

There are limits on the responsibility that can be placed on dealers who have moved guns that are later linked to crimes. But there must be a focused effort to make sure they are selling only to qualified buyers.

Careless indifference or intentional flaunting of laws designed to limit gun ownership to law-abiding citizens should result in swift prosecution and the sort of penalties that will deter other gun dealers from making the same mistake.

http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/todays_editorial/article/0,1426,MCA_537_2579792,00.html

[MrBenchley]

32. One wonders how many of those stores

have employees like the lowlife in Florida...

[slackmaster]

50. Go ask the Pope

When he's going to start ordaining openly gay priests.

[CO Liberal]

30. Legislature May Change Law Requiring Background Checks At Gun Shows (CO)

The gun lobby is hard at work trying to undo a law that was passed after Columbine. - Wayne

* * * * *

Legislature May Change Law Requiring Background Checks At Gun Shows

POSTED: 6:08 AM MST January 16, 2004
UPDATED: 10:44 AM MST January 16, 2004

DENVER -- In a move some fear will lead to the erosion of gun control measures enacted after the Columbine High School massacre, a legislative committee is backing a plan to tinker with a voter-approved law requiring background checks at gun shows.

Rep. Ray Rose, R-Montrose, said he only wants to change confusing language in Amendment 22 that he thinks requires anyone who even looks at a gun to undergo a background check. Tom Mauser, who campaigned for the law after his son was killed at Columbine, disagrees and is concerned that lawmakers who don't like Amendment 22 will be able to make changes to it as Rose's bill moves through the Legislature.

"There is a real concern that we could be opening this up to aslippery slope -- as the gun lobby likes to say -- and chip away at Amendment 22," Mauser told members of the House State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee Thursday.

The committee backed Rose's proposal (House Bill 1012) in a 6-4 vote, sending it to the full House for consideration.

<more>

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2769931/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

34. Remember, the NRA poured a fortune

into hysterical "they're going to grab YOUR gun" propaganda trrying to defeat this referendum...and Colorado voters passed it overwhelmingly.

[CO Liberal]

31. Girl Hurt as Gun Goes Off in Class (CA)

Another day, another gun in school. - Wayne

* * * * *

Girl Hurt as Gun Goes Off in Class

Two Pomona High School students are arrested. The victim is expected to survive.

By Times Staff Writers

A small-caliber gun that a Pomona High School student had hidden in his pocket accidentally went off in a classroom Thursday morning, seriously wounding another student, authorities said.

"It was right at the end of class and there was a loud bang, then silence, and the students thought that someone set off a firecracker in the class," said Lt. Michael Ervin of the Pomona Police Department. "The students left, but then the female student started complaining of pain."

The girl was hospitalized with undisclosed injuries. She is expected to survive, Ervin said.

The 17-year-old boy and a friend who allegedly had passed the gun to him were arrested on suspicion of having a weapon at school — a felony, police said.

<more>

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pomona16jan16,1,1982185.story?coll=la-headlines-california

[CO Liberal]

33. GOP to try to override veto of gun-toting bill (WI)

The Nuts Ruining America strike again. - Wayne

* * * * *

GOP to try to override veto of gun-toting bill

The GOP-led state Senate will try to override Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle's veto of a concealed weapons bill Wednesday, hours before the governor is due to deliver his annual State of the State address.

Opponents of the measure, which would lift the state's long-standing ban against carrying concealed weapons, seized on the announcement to highlight what they said were core differences between the two parties.

"On a day when the governor will be outlining his vision for the state in education, health care and jobs, the Republican vision is guns in theaters and shopping malls," Doyle spokesman Dan Leistikow said.

Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer, R-West Bend, said she promised to take up the bill when the Senate reconvenes next week. Word of the vote first appeared on the National Rifle Association's Web site.

<more>

http://www.madison.com/wisconsinstatejournal/local/65375.php

[CO Liberal]

35. Permian Basin Gun Show ready for another round (TX)

Information about the gun show loophole is underlined. I wonder how many tables will be selling "The Turner Diaries", Bill & Hilary targets, and Nazi stuff. - Wayne

* * * * *

Permian Basin Gun Show ready for another round

By Cliff Hamilton
Odessa American

John Pokorny is an old hand at sidearms.

Pokorny has organized the Permian Basin Gun Show for 28 years — every show since its inception in 1976. The latest edition is on tap Saturday and Sunday in Building G at the Ector County Coliseum.

As many as 200 tables of guns, knives, antiques and collectibles will be on display and up for sale at the show. Even after 28 years, Pokorny has a single purpose in mind for the show.

“This is for individuals to see things they couldn’t in any sporting goods store,” he said. “Things that can’t be seen locally.”

Gun shows came under scrutiny with the passage of stricter gun control laws.

“Gun shows have been controversial nationwide because there’s not necessarily any background checks or waiting period,” said Odessa Chief of Police Chris Pipes. “Then there are those who feel that if two individuals want to trade guns, then they should be able to do so without government interference.” By law, individuals are allowed to trade or sell guns to each other freely without filing paperwork or performing background checks. Federally licensed vendors, however, must perform background checks.

<more>

http://www.oaoa.com/news/nw011604g.htm

[MrBenchley]

36. "see things they couldn’t in any sporting goods store"

So few sporting goods stores actually give out Nazi propaganda...

[slackmaster]

44. Another Straw Man but that's no surprise

Got any substantiated facts, MrBenchley?

[CO Liberal]

45. Here's Yer Strawman, Slackmaster

And just like Ted Nugent, he hasn't got a brain......

:-)

[slackmaster]

46. No brain, no Nazi propaganda either

Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

Thanks a lot, CO.

I could wile away the hours, conversing with the flowers...

[MrBenchley]

49. LOL!!

[RoeBear]

53. Don't hold your breath...

...he has no heart to reply.

[slackmaster]

54. Naw, it's lack of

Courage.



But it doesn't matter anyway, he has me on "Ignore".

:evilgrin:

[RoeBear]

52. Personally, Pokorny isn’t worried about criminals.

“The (prices of) guns are too high for a criminal at a gun show. It’s cheaper for him to get them on the street,” he said. “The criminal element — we just don’t have.”

[MrBenchley]

37. Police Shoot Man After 2 Others Hurt (MO)

"The incident occurred in the 9100 block of Santa Fe Street. Police said they belive a man fired two shots before officers arrived. A woman and a male victim were hurt. Police who arrived at the scene fired one shot, which struck the suspected assailant.
Authorities said the attacker suffered serious injuries. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040116/lo_kmbc/1961176

[MrBenchley]

41. Ricky Cullipher faces gun, drug charges (VA)

"HAMPTON -- A Hampton vice unit patrolling Phoebus on Wednesday afternoon spotted a familiar face: Ricky Cullipher Jr. Shortly afterward, the 23-year-old - no stranger to law enforcement - was in handcuffs after police discovered a handgun and marijuana in his 2003 Cadillac Escalade.
The Daily Press introduced readers to Cullipher in a series of articles in the fall of 1999.
In February 1997, Cullipher - then 16 - was convicted of malicious wounding and a firearms charge in the shooting of a 15-year-old friend, Danny Caldwell, in 1996. After several appeals, Hampton Circuit Court Judge William C. Andrews III sentenced Cullipher to nine years in adult prison.
Andrews' appointment to the bench is currently up for renewal by the General Assembly. Del. Tom Gear, R-Hampton, has opposed Andrews' reappointment citing the Cullipher case. "

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-43556sy0jan16,0,4034006.story?coll=dp-aol-yahoo-nws-hed

Amazing that Ricky doesn't have a job at a shooting range or gun store....Meanwhile, the GOP continnues to be synonymous with rotten government...

"HAMPTON -- Del. Tom Gear's critics say he's trying to run Judge William C. Andrews III off the Hampton Circuit Court bench so his sister can replace Andrews.
Gear first ran for the General Assembly in 2001, in part, because his sister, Kathy Gear Owens, was denied a judgeship for the second time.
Many lawyers and others have speculated about the possibility of Gear's sister becoming a judge since November, when Gear announced he hopes to keep Andrews from receiving another eight-year term."

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-38024sy0jan09,0,1776159.story?coll=dp-news-local-final

[RoeBear]

51. Bank robber handed back gun after release from jail

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_856352.html?menu=news.quirkies

"A mistake was obviously made when he was first convicted and his gun placed with the rest of his possessions in safekeeping, instead of being completely confiscated."

This is dumb and funny at the same time. The main thing that surprises me is that it didn't happen in the USA.

[davidinalameda]

61. locking

old news