Mother pulls gun on volleyball team members after their victory

[RamboLiberal]

SAN ANTONIO -- Judson ISD police are busy searching for a woman who threatened students with a gun on Thursday night.

The district's director of public information, James Keith, says the incident happened around 7:15 p.m. Thursday in the parking lot of the Metzger Middle School on Binz Engleman.

Witnesses said a woman pulled a gun and threatened to shoot members of the Kirby Middle School seventh-grade volleyball team.

The Kirby team had just won a game against Metzger. The woman approached the team as they were making their way toward the team bus.

Witnesses believe the woman is a Metzger Middle School parent. She was seen leaving the school in a maroon-colored car.

http://www.kens5.com/news/JISD--Woman-threatens-students-with-a-gun-102593874.html

Hope they find her and take away her gun, plus frog march her to jail.

[yellowcanine]

1. Threatening with a gun is assault. So she should be arrested and charged.

[jazzhound]

7. +1,000

There is not a single gun rights advocate on this forum who would agree with the sentiments expressed in posts 2-5.

As usual, the raging dishonesty of the pro "control" contingent is unembarrassed -- and on full display.

[RamboLiberal]

8. Exactly - As a gun rights advocate I want these whack jobs

weeded out and never allowed to own a gun again.

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[county worker]

12. The problem like many of these things is that someone has to get hurt or almost hurt

before you find out there is a nut case running loose with a gun. That proves my point that there are lots of nut cases running around carrying guns and it is just a matter of time until they hurt someone. These nut cases are carrying guns in church, libraries, schools, national parks and yet gun carrying advocates see no reason to restrict where guns can be carried. I can't figure it out.

Now don't send me to some statistics to prove a point. Logic is on my side.

[jazzhound]

15. Don't send you any of those stinking facts to

reveal your medacity and bigotry?

Got it.

[jazzhound]

16. Sadly, logic is most certainly NOT on your side.

W/regard to your tired/inane "It's only a matter of time" meme ----- logic is clearly not on your side.

With decades of experience with concealed carry to observe, the facts are in -- and they most assuredly do not support your case.

Your "case" is not just childish -- it is infantile.

[SteveM]

19. "Now don't send me to some statistics..." "Logic is on my side." LOL.

Try this on your "logic:" Nutcases with guns are running around everywhere, laws or not. Your "restrictions" will restrict nothing.

You treat logic as if it were a flag with which to wrap yourself!

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

27. "Now don't send me to some statistics to prove a point. Logic is on my side."

I think I found a picture of your "logic" on teh internetz!

[PavePusher]

28. Because those "restrictions" are not going to stop the "nut cases"...

and will only render the lawabiding less capable of self defense.

"Now don't send me to some statistics to prove a point. Logic is on my side." ORLY? Facts not in evidence...

[Callisto32]

40. That isn't how logic works.

Logic would dictate that in the face of superior proof, like statistics, mere inferences and expectations would be discounted, and empirical truth embraced.

[SteveM]

18. Prosecute and punish as per the law. nt

[FunkyLeprechaun]

2. She was well within her rights to defend herself

The volleyball is potentially a lethal weapon!

[jgraz]

3. The tree of volleyball must be watered with the fear-piss of 7th graders

or something like that...

[SteveM]

20. Orwell advocated the right to keep and bear arms. In England. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

44. Here is that Orwell quote. I suspect it will cause a change in a certain .sig line:

http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerriflequote.shtml

....Bernard Crick in his book "George Orwell A Life" has the following quote in Chapter 12 The Challenge and Frustration of war (1939-41).

"Even as it stands, the Home Guard could only exist in a country where men feel themselves free. The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. THAT RIFLE HANGING ON THE WALL OF THE WORKING-CLASS FLAT OR LABOURER'S COTTAGE, IS THE SYMBOL OF DEMOCRACY. IT IS OUR JOB TO SEE THAT IT STAYS THERE."

Crick correctly attributes the quote to an 8 January 1941 article Orwell wrote for Evening Standard. The article was titled "Don't Let Colonel Blimp Ruin the Home Guard"....

[Blue Owl]

4. Did Palin instruct her to reload?

n/t

[SteveM]

21. The owl is not wise; it only thinks it is. nt

[struggle4progress]

5. Thank goodness she could defend herself against the Kirby Middle School seventh-grade

volleyball team! But wouldn't it have been better if the Kirby Middle School seventh-grade volleyball team had also been armed? And why aren't the kids at Metzger Middle School armed yet?

[SteveM]

22. 5CR/3RD?

[SteveM]

25. So you advocate arming kids with guns? I don't. nt

[struggle4progress]

34. But just look at what happened to the Metzger team!

... Judson school district spokesman James Keith said ... "My understanding ... is that ... They were getting hit with balls during the game ... " ... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBlwK-tzDzN85gQons5a0ZZamgdwD9I55G481

What? You don't want them to be able to defend themselves?

[SteveM]

36. So you want to arm kids? You should really re-consider your position. nt

[cleanhippie]

39. I dunno. Maybe because they are MINORS!

Any other bullshit you need smacked down?

[ladjf]

6. She could probably use some psychiatric evaluation. nt

[TheWraith]

11. You win the massive understatement prize. nt

[Abq_Sarah]

13. Some parents need to get a grip

It's a freaking game, for crying out loud.

[jgraz]

23. Preferably a two-handed grip.

For better aim.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

29. Speaking of aim... you should work on yours.

Missing the mark, as always, I see.

[bigmonkey]

14. If this was a cop story, we would be hearing calls for reserving judgement.

"We can't judge whether the woman's actions were justified until we hear the whole story. Don't rush to judgement. We haven't heard her side yet."

[Glassunion]

42. No if this were a cop story... There would be a dead guy with 5 holes in his back

after he hit the ground and the coroner would be putting off the inquest for over two months and the security camera systems would have a glitch and the 911 tapes would not be released... Or something like that.

[bigmonkey]

43. Probably, but I was focusing on how the standard authoritarian reply would begin.

Good to keep these things in mind, these regular patterns.

[EC]

17. 2nd Amendment solution?

as Angle says? If you can't get what you want - take out your gun? How many more nuts are there out there?

25% of the population is pretty nutty in the polls lets hope that isn't the number of really nutsey people...

[SteveM]

24. "How many more nuts are out there?" Do you live in fear?....

You posed the question, do you have an answer?

[EC]

26. No ..

I'm just wondering how many more are near snapping and own guns? Wondering doesn't mean concern...

[SteveM]

32. Good. I'm not concerned either.

[RamboLiberal]

30. Accused mom: There was no gun

The mother of a Metzger Middle School volleyball player admitted to a post-game altercation with the opposing team Thursday night but told police there was no gun involved.

“She said she did not use a gun, and that she waved her finger,” Judson Independent School District spokesman James Keith said Friday.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/accused_gun_mom_there_was_no_gun_102636289.html

I want to see how this one plays out.

[struggle4progress]

33. ... Judson school district spokesman James Keith said ... girls on the Kirby team had left the gym

and were walking to their bus after the game, laughing and celebrating, when the woman approached and threatened to kill one or more of them ... At least six witnesses saw the incident, Keith said ...
Police: Texas mom pulls gun on 7th grade students
By PAUL J. WEBER (AP) – 3 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBlwK-tzDzN85gQons5a0ZZamgdwD9I55G481

... witnesses told ... police ... they saw a woman pull a gun and threaten to shoot members of the ... volleyball team as the team celebrated in a parking lot ... Surveillance cameras also captured the incident ...
Accused mom: There was no gun
By Lindsay Kastner - Express-News
Web Posted: 09/10/2010 12:51 CDT
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/accused_gun_mom_there_was_no_gun_102636289.html

[PavePusher]

31. San Antonio? "I'll take 'Gang Problem' for $500, Alex!" n/t

[struggle4progress]

35. Eeek! Gangs of seventh grade volleyball girls!

:scared:

[PavePusher]

38. In all seriousness...

there are probably at least three generations of gang members there. And neither 7th grade or being female is a bar to membership, nor motherhood. Sad but true.

I'm not saying this is definitively the issue in this instance, but if I was a betting man....

[Tejas]

58. There you go again,

injecting reality into a poster's fantasy of dropping their kids at the mall and all being well.

:rofl:

[Tejas]

59. Yeah, your baby don't do nuffin' - so noted

[RamboLiberal]

37. Latest

SAN ANTONIO — A Texas mother who witnesses said pulled a gun on a seventh-grade volleyball team says she merely waived her finger and never threatened the players.

A Judson school district spokesman said Friday that the woman told authorities her version of what happened after Thursday night's game.

Spokesman James Keith also said "inconsistencies are starting to pop up" after police re-interviewed witnesses who first alleged that the woman threatened the students with a gun after they soundly beat her daughter's team.

Keith said no gun was found after a search of the woman's home. He said she'll likely face no criminal charges but is barred from the school for a year.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hBlwK-tzDzN85gQons5a0ZZamgdwD9I59HRG0

[struggle4progress]

41. ... There were at least six witnesses, he said. "Witnesses say she said she was going to kill them,"

Keith said ... <same link as above>

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. And some of the witnesses changed their stories, and no gun was found

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/accused_gun_mom_there_was_no_gun_102636289.html

....The woman admitted she engaged in a yelling match with members of the Kirby team after their lopsided win but insisted she did not brandish a gun because she does not own one, he said.

“She said she did not use a gun, and that she waved her finger,” Keith said.

Friday, she consented to a search of her home and vehicle, and no gun was found, he said.

After re-interviewing the witnesses Friday, school district police said their accounts did not match up, Keith said. He declined to elaborate.

Awww, what a shame! The lynch mob here had the rope all knotted and everything....

[struggle4progress]

46. And the poor saintly woman has been "barred from the school for a year." It's tragic.

[benEzra]

47. An appropriate consequence for getting into a postgame shouting match.

And, of course, no gun was actually present. But I'm sure this story of a rude gun-non-owner still proves that guns are of the debbil. Or something like that.

:eyes:

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. Sorry for ruining your 'gun nut' schtick by pointing out there was no gun.

And you were doing so well with it, too!

Then, reality went and reared its ugly head. Have some milk and a cookie, you'll feel better:

[SteveM]

50. Maybe it was a Romulun Plasma Gun, Index Digit Model 74-KA!

You think these kids could I.D. a gun using flash cards? I would be interested in seeing the variety (not to mention the creativity).

[Euromutt]

49. Speaking as someone who used to work for a prosecutor...

...specifically, the Prosecutor of the UN International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, witnesses suck. Human memory is extremely fallible, and that's if they aren't sexing up or completely fabricating their stories to begin with. Bluntly, in my view, witness statements (including victim statements) should be considered circumstantial evidence at best unless corroborated by physical evidence.

Let me put it this way: if you have six (or eight, or twenty) people who say they witnessed guy A beating up guy B, but you can see that guy B hasn't got any marks except perhaps some scrapes and bruises that you might incur bumping into furniture, are you going to believe those six (or eight or twenty) people, or conclude that they're lying?

[struggle4progress]

51. ... said Judson ISD Spokesperson James Keith "... we do know ... she used derogatory words and made

violent threats" ... District officials ... noticed some inconsistencies in the story, so no criminal charges have been filed ... However, a criminal trespassing warrant has been issued for her, which means she will not be allowed onto any Judson ISD campuses for a year.
Update: Police question woman accused of threatening middle school students
Last Update: 9/10 6:03 pm
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Police-question-woman-accused-of/kW6q3BEx8EGhD00CUVRg5Q.cspx

... School surveillance cameras captured the incident in the parking lot behind the Metzger gym. Unable to determine if the woman was armed, however, district police decided Friday not to charge her ...
Judson ISD bars volleyball mom
By Guillermo X. Garcia and Lindsay Kastner - Express-News
Web Posted: 09/10/2010 12:51 CDT
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Police-question-woman-accused-of/kW6q3BEx8EGhD00CUVRg5Q.cspx

[friendly_iconoclast]

52. "Butbutbutbut, she did *something* wrong!" Yeah, she did- but not with a gun.

Something you seem to have trouble acknowledging.

[benEzra]

53. "Mother pulls finger on volleyball team members after their victory."

I wonder if fixing the title of the OP would reduce some of the reflexive gun-owner-bashing going on here...

[RamboLiberal]

55. Unfortunately the 30 minute edit window is passed

IMHO now it looks like she may not have pulled a gun and this is just a story that was blown out of proportion before police could check it out.

[SteveM]

54. ...and probably passed gas as well. nt

[one-eyed fat man]

56. She's probably lucky!

As it turns out if the lying little twits who told the law she was wildly waving a gun around had gotten the timely response of the Las Vegas PD she'd be dead, shot in the back 5 times.

Likely to the cheers of the same bunch who were gleeful over the Costco shooting. Or those who claim since no gun was on the surveillance video, or her home and car were searched by the police that she threw into the ditch with OJ's knife......

[lawodevolution]

57. the hate for gun owners reminds me of...

other forms of hate and fear promoted by ignorance and bigotry in the past.

So a bunch of gun prohibitionists pull out a story that lies about the use of a gun involving a volleyball team, then they use this lie to put down gun owners and make their anti-gun comments all based on a fake gun story. I wonder if someone ever did this sort of thing when they were trying to outlaw alcohol, dildos, porn and even sex and kissing in public.