Man seriously wounds intruder during botched Brooklyn home invasion

[Hoopla Phil]

Larry Goldstein, 62, of Mill Basin was awoken shortly before 2 a.m. when he and his wife heard noise downstairs.

He grabbed his licensed revolver and went to investigate when he saw two intruders brandishing guns, sources told The Post.

The wounded man, identified, as Alexander Manigat, of 371 E. 35th Street in Brooklyn, was taken to Brookdale Hospital in critical condition with two gunshot wounds to his torso and one time in the arm.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/man_seriously_wounded_during_botched_hxD5IQ6m7iUWnqn5g5YnhL

I wonder just how hard it is to get a legal handgun in Brooklyn. I'm betting that Larry Goldstein gets that question a lot from his neighbors after this incident.

[peace frog]

1. Live by the sword, etc

No sympathy for the devil from this quarter.

[SteveM]

2. You pose a good question worthy of study...

"I wonder just how hard it is to get a legal handgun in Brooklyn."

This question has been broached before concerning car-trunk sales in Illinois, and arms going into Mexico: How many are purchased by everyday citizens who are seeking to protect themselves from armed and increasingly brazen gangs/thugs? Put another way, if you were living in either of these 2 locations, would you put in an order for a .38?

[oneshooter]

3. Well let me think about it.

#1 I avoid living in places like that

#2 If for some reason I find myslf there I would not order a .38

#3 I prefer a 45acp w/ 200gr JHP and 3 mags


Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[spin]

7. I wouldn't want to live in Mexico ...

without access to a firearm.

In practice, possession of firearms above .22 caliber is severely restricted. As with much of the rest of Mexican law enforcement, corruption is a major element of the gun licensing system.

Because government permits are difficult to obtain, there is a thriving market in smuggled handguns from the United States. One effort to control smuggling was Operation Forward Trace, conducted in the 1990s by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. BATF agents examined federal gun registration documents (Form 4473) held on file at gun stores in southwestern states, and recorded the names and addresses of buyers - especially those with Hispanic names - who had purchased self-loading rifles or inexpensive handguns. BATF then contacted the purchasers, and demanded to know where the guns were.

In July 2001, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft and Mexican Attorney General Rafael Macedo de la Concha announced a cooperative law enforcement program, aimed partly at weapons smuggling. Mexican police would provide computerized information about seized firearms to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) so that BATF can trace the guns. for criminal investigation. Ashcroft also assigned US prosecutors in districts bordering Mexico to serve as contacts on gun smuggling cases.

Even government agencies, frustrated with the Defense Ministry, sometimes smuggle in their own weapons from the U.S.

In August 1985, the army -- using the pretext of a routine inspection -- confiscated the weapons of the Juarez police. Many observers believed the confiscation took place because the city government was controlled by PAN, the leading opposition party. Guns confiscated by the police or the military often end up on the black market.
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm

[YllwFvr]

4. At 62 years old

you cant fault the mans aim I guess eh? Well done!

[Bold Lib]

5. Interesting. Does anyone know the process to getting a legal gun in new York?

[TheWraith]

6. It's pretty brutal in the best counties, virtually impossible in NYC.

Here in Wyoming County, which is as close to "shall issue" as it gets, you have to submit a form that's a fifth of an inch thick, photos in triplicate, character references fingerprints, background check, and getting your permit can take 3-6 months. In the cities it's not uncommon to hear about people waiting a year or more.

[spin]

8. You do not live in the real United States ...

In Florida, I travel on down to the gun store, pick out the handgun I like. I fill out one form and the dealer calls for an NICS background check. I pay my cash and I leave with the firearm. (Note: I have a concealed weapons permit, if I didn't I would have to wait three to five days to obtain a handgun.)

There is no license required to own a firearm and firearms are not registered. To carry a concealed weapon you do have to obtain a license which involves proof of training, a background check, a photo and fingerprints. The cost of the permit is $117 and it's good for 7 years.

The majority of states have laws similar to Florida. I'm sorry that you are a second class citizen.

[oneshooter]

9. With a Texas CHL you don't even have to make the NCIS call. n/t