Why do you visit the Justice/Public Safety area?

[TyroneStryker]

I'm glad to be a new member of the "gungeon" as I've seen it called. I see there are many differing opinions here, so I'll add myself to the fray. I've also been hanging out in the General area. Here's my first topic:

Why do you visit the "Gungeon"?

What draws you here?


For my part, when I joined, I was in the General area and somebody mentioned a thread in this area. I came in and was hooked. If I hadn't seen that thread, I doubt I ever would have come in.


edit to say: Sorry, I won't be responding to anything tonite, I won't be by my computer, I'll check back in the morning.

[slackmaster]

1. It feels better than hitting myself on the head with a framing hammer

Or holding my hand over hot burning coals.

[FeebMaster]

2. Are you kidding?

I've been addicted to this forum for a while. It's definitely more painful than that.

[-..__...]

3. To expand my vocabulary.

Now anytime I have a conversation with someone and I disagree with them,
I blow them off with "what a pantload" or "tell it to someone who cares".

[demsrule4life]

4. Don't forget

"cry me a river"

[Columbia]

5. Hahahahahaha

I just use maniacal laughter. ;)

[demsrule4life]

7. "I don't laugh all the time like some idiot"

Tombstone

[MrBenchley]

11. And yet....

[demsrule4life]

14. Guess I hang around

them to much.

[MrBenchley]

27. Hey, you're the one that goes to Larry's

where drug-addled crazies don't seem to stand out from the regular clientele.

"On the night before Christmas, Farron Barksdale was browsing at Larry's Pistol and Pawn in Huntsville.
He left not with a sleigh full of toys, but with a deadly assault rifle. He used the rifle nine days later, according to Athens police Capt. Marty Bruce, to kill two police officers and to sadden an entire community.
According to Sheriff Mike Blakely, Barksdale of Decatur has been involuntarily committed to mental health institutions on at least two occasions.
Blakely said Barksdale conceded after the shooting that he used drugs and was on an alcohol binge when he fired the weapon. "

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040106/gun.shtml

Don't blame your playmates on the rest of us....

[demsrule4life]

30. To bad Larrys don't have you working for

them being such an expert on who is insane and all.

[MrBenchley]

33. I get a lot of experience around here

[slackmaster]

16. I'm fining MrBenchley $2 for that one

$1 for an incomplete sentence and another $1 for ellipsis abuse.

:freak:

[MrBenchley]

18. I'll bet the terms arre familiar

to those on the other end.

[demsrule4life]

39. I also forgot

Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrrre..... Was just reminded of it.

[alwynsw]

42. You forgot a few vocabulary builders

such as "lunatic asswipe, gun fetishist, substitute penis, STEAMING pantload, and 'Ask me if I fucking care'."

on edit: this post was attacked by my former school teacher, grammar Nazi wife. How could I write without her? I'll be offline for a while, the rolling pin is com...

[MrBenchley]

6. It's as much fun as the circus and full of clowns

Where else would you have "enthusiasts" posting pictures of their fetish objects and gloating over them...then erupting in rage when someone asks if they showed the photos to their employers?

[demsrule4life]

9. Snore.....................................................................

I just returned from Larrys today where I picked up my new Les Baer Thunder Ranch .45. What an expensive fetish I have.

[MrBenchley]

10. And let's not forget

the RKBA crowd posting the Wall Street Journal's account of some deep South klavern and then erupting in fury when it was pointed out that the account they posted mentioned that there were armed loonies strolling about in Nazi uniforms there.

[-..__...]

12. I also seem to remember....

someone posting several news articles about plumbers with ties to racist organizations. IIRC, some of them were arrested for firearms violations as well.

Good thing too! Now if there's a problem with my sink or toilet, I take care of it myself. Can't be too careful with who you let in the house these days.

[MrBenchley]

17. Guess that's more RKBA "logic"

or whatever it is....

No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a real scientist.

[slackmaster]

22. When facts are not available, a Straw Man always works

No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a real scientist.

Yeah, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure we do.

:freak:

[-..__...]

23. Not much different than the logic...

espoused by some that paints all gun owners as racists because of the words, actions or political beliefs of a misguided few.

Actually, I take that back; there is a differnce: my post was meant as sarcasm with a bit of irony... not as the gospel truth or fact.

[MrBenchley]

26. Gee, funny how

nobody's ever seen a post that says all gun owners are racist, except for the ones put up by the RKBA crowd.

What has been posted and backed up again and again is that every racist and bigoted piece of shit that can be found is also peddling that bogus "gun rights" crap. Wonder why that is?

[slackmaster]

28. Even better question than why that seems to be the case..

Who gives a flying fuck besides a few anti-RKBA extremists?

I'm sure most racist POSs like sex and beer as well.

[RoeBear]

40. Tell me again...

...why are racists wanting to arm the people they hate?

[DoNotRefill]

19. Heheheheheheheheeee!

Since when is the southern border of Ohio the Deep South?

You TOO funny Bench!!!! :)

[MrBenchley]

24. Too fucking funny...

Knob Creek, Kentucky moved to Ohio?

Amazing how every RKBA argument depends on either distortion or outright deception...

[slackmaster]

25. Pot, Meet Kettle

What did the Wall Street Journal article say about guys in Nazi uniforms, MrBenchley?

And is the Roman Catholic Church sanctifying marriages between same-sex couples yet?

[DoNotRefill]

29. Knob Creek....

is about a half hour drive from Ohio, just south of Louisville, KY. Look it up on Mapquest.

[MrBenchley]

31. So it's not IN Ohio

despite the claim.

[DoNotRefill]

32. Please read what I wrote...

I didn't say which side of the border it was on...merely made a reference to it's general geographic location. A half hour trip by car from Ohio can hardly be seen as the "deep south", can it?

[MrBenchley]

34. You mean where you mentioned Kentucky?

As if it makes it better where armed loonies were wandering around wearing Nazi uniforms in public.

[DoNotRefill]

35. More distortions...

First, you said "deep south". Half hour from Ohio isn't "deep south", is it? Secondly, who said Knob Creek is public? It's not. It's private. Thirdly, you can see Nazi stuff in lots of public places. They're called "museums". Does that mean every museum with Nazi stuff on display is run and staffed by Nazis? I'm sure the Holocaust Museum will be dismayed to find that they're really Nazis...

[MrBenchley]

36. Yup...everything about RKBA is distortion or deception

Go ahead and pretend there are armed loonies in Nazi uniforms running around the Holocaust museum...

[DoNotRefill]

37. Where did I say that?

I didn't, and you know I didn't. The Holocaust Museum DOES display Nazi uniforms and Nazi weapons, though.

[MrBenchley]

38. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrrre.....

[alwynsw]

46. Been there and seen them.

Check the website. You can Google it, I know you can.

[MrBenchley]

57. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre....

[alwynsw]

60. Is that the best you can do?

C'mon. At least offer some mindless gainsaying.

[MrBenchley]

62. What else is needed? Really?

Too too too funny.

[alwynsw]

66. An objective post on your part would be a good start.

along with a spin free take on the subject.

[MrBenchley]

68. Hahahahahahaha!

Too too funny.

It's not me desperately trying to pretend the WSJ article doesn't mention armed lunatics wandering around in Nazi uniforms at this kooky kentucky klavern.

[slackmaster]

70. That's right MrBenchley - and you're wrong

The article makes no specific mention of them being there on that particular occasion.

[alwynsw]

74. Show me the quote.

You can't, but I'll indulge you. You can show me a reference to what possibly happened at other shows and shoots and by a stretch attempt to make it apply to the Knob Creek shoot by inference.

I was there and didn't see the Nazi types you refer to. Where were you?

[MrBenchley]

80. Been there, done that.....

Next ask me if I care how desperately you want to spin away the WSJ article.

[alwynsw]

84. No spin needed

Comprehension of the article as written will suffice. Comprende'?

[TyroneStryker]

87. I only see one person spinning

and misrepresenting the column.

[MrBenchley]

96. I think someone needs glasses much more

than I need reading or debating lessons....

[alwynsw]

103. Internet Optometry! You've found your niche!

Amazing thing, ain't it?

[alwynsw]

44. Funny thing.

I live within a 15 minute drive of Knob Creek IN KENTUCKY and I've never seen a Nazi uniform there, or anywhere else in the Commonwealth, outside of a museum.

Knob Creek is a privately owned range that is open to the public - closed on Monday. I shoot there regularly to save some of my friends the drive out to my house. (I live on a farm. I can shoot whenever the mood strikes, but my buds live in Louisville.)

Point of note: Kentucky is not the deep south, although many of us do have the polite manners cultivated there.

[MrBenchley]

48. Even funnier

Are you saying the Wall Street Journal LIED?

[alwynsw]

50. Not at all. Read the article.

You're mistaken if you believe Mr. Yost reported the presence of such folk. As a matter of record, I attended the shoot. There were no Nazi uniformed types there. Just to double check, I asked a couple of the rangemasters and staff: they saw none of those types. I was told that since it's a privately owned range and - therefore the owners can do so - anyone appearing in such garb would have been asked to either leave or change their attire.

<snip>

Neither could I. But not before watching 10-year-old Emily fire the Heckler & Koch MP5, the preferred weapon of counterterrorist units the world over. This is a good point to note that although I appeared friendly in my NRA ball cap and eager grin, folks here were naturally skeptical of a reporter. They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission. They then go back to their New York editing rooms and paint these extremists as indicative of the "gun culture." But after just five minutes here, it was clear that there's nothing more extreme about these people and their love of guns than the folks who travel the world over collecting Hummels or salt shakers.

Oh sure, there were probably too many camouflage camisoles for the average soccer mom. But for every ersatz Rambo there was someone dressed in Bermuda shorts and a golf shirt. More important, whole families were here, most of whom see a day at the gun range not as a precursor to Columbine, but as good bonding time.

Once again; read the article.

[MrBenchley]

51. Hahahahahaha...

Yeah, I'll bet people who go to the Hummel convention see armed loonies wearing Nazi uniforms.

[alwynsw]

53. You're probably just confusing the brown shirts

worn by the Jefferson Co. Sheriff's Deputies for Nazi uniforms. Several deputies stopped by.

[MrBenchley]

55. Not me...it's the asswipe from the WSJ

who's reporting it.

And it's STILL fucking hilarious to see people trying to spin away the story THEY posted to. Remember,, I didn't dredge up the account of armed loonies in Nazi uniforms tramping around this nutfest....the RKBA crowd posted it proudly.

I might also recall the DLC memo that was posted FIVE times by the RKBA crowd, with nary a one of them noticing that the memo ACTUALLY said:
--90% of Americans want to close the gun show loophole
--86% want increased penalties for gun trafficking, just like Charles Schumer proposes
--79% want background checks for ALL firearm transactions
--77% want an assault weapons ban....
--67% want ALL firearms registered

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=29642

[alwynsw]

58. I highly recommend a remedial reading class.

After consulting my wife - she's the retired teacher with the masters in ENGLISH who also can find NO MENTION of nazi sightings in the article except by reference to other shows - I stand firm: Mr. Yost made no mention of seeing those types there.

I think I'll try to get an email to him and ask him to post his observations in this forum. Hopefully:

1) I can get an email address

2) He will take the time to respond by posting in this forum

[MrBenchley]

61. Heeheeheehee....

Too too funny.

Keep on spinning....I'm sure somebody will buy this.

At least it's a change frrom the RKBA crowd's earlier defense...which was "there's nothing wrong with armed loonies in Nazi uniforms."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=16515

[alwynsw]

69. Same misquoting, different thread.

The article was the same in Oct. as it is now. Still no mention of Nazi sightings at the shoot.

I love the maniacial laughter. It reminds me of: "They're coming to take me away! HAHA! HOHO! HEHE! To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time..."

[MrBenchley]

73. Same Nazis, same Knob Creek

Same denial of fact.

One wonders why every RKBA argument depends on denial, distortion and deception.

[alwynsw]

77. I deny nothing - except the existence of the types you refer to at that

shoot. Once again, I was there and saw none of them. Where were you that you can confidently confirm their attendance?

[MrBenchley]

83. Yeah, we can tell you're denying nothing.....

Next time ask me if I care that you want to disagree with the WSJ article, which, remember, I didn't dredge up out of the right wing cesspool in the first place.

I just began laughing my ass off at what it said...and how desperately the RKBA crowd want to pretend it doesn't say what it said.

And helping the gun rights crowd demonstrate their basic dishonesty like this is one reason I come to the gungeon.

[alwynsw]

86. laughing at one's own words can be a sign of mental illness

unless you're Red Skelton.

Your position proves the adage, "There are none so blind as he who will not see."

[MrBenchley]

89. Laughing at somebody trying to pretend

that a news story doesn't say what it says is a big belly laugh.

"There are none so blind as he who will not see."
You mean like somebody trying desperately to pretend the WSJ's account of this kooky kentucky klavern doesn't mention armed loonies dressed in Nazi unniforrms wandering the grounds?

[slackmaster]

91. The author does not say that he saw anyone in a Nazi uniform

At the Knob Creek Range.

It's as simple as that. The only mention of people in Nazi uniforms was a general reference to other authors' work.

[alwynsw]

92. It doesn't mention them being present

It refers to a small percentage at other shows. You're assuming their presence by inference. Hardly credible evidence. That's not mentioning the fact that I've previously stated that I attended the shoot and saw none of them there.

They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission.

[MrBenchley]

98. Too fucking funny...

find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms

Wonder why those wicked TV reporters are able to find them? Because they're not there?

How desperate is the RKBA spin going to get THIS time, one wonders?

[slackmaster]

63. And a majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage

Good thing we don't use direct democracy to make every political decision in this country.

[beevul]

72. Yeah

"And a majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage"
"Good thing we don't use direct democracy to make every political decision in this country."

Well said!! :toast:

[MrBenchley]

78. Sez who?

You know, if the RKBA crowd didn't spend their lives diving in right wing cesspools like Newsmax, they might actually have a fact now and then.....

"But the AFA never counted on the power of the Internet. And once the URL to the poll escaped its intended audience, everything went haywire. As of Jan. 19, 60 percent of respondents -- more than 508,000 voters -- said, "I favor legalization of homosexual marriage." With an additional 7.89 percent -- or 66,732 voters -- replying, "I favor a 'civil union' with the full benefits of marriage except for the name," the AFA's chosen position, "I oppose legalization of homosexual marriage and 'civil unions,'" was being defeated by a 2-1 ratio."

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

And by the way, it's noticeable that the RKBA crowd is AGAIN trying to hide what the gun rights people are actually saying and doing...as Iverglas noted some time ago, every dollar the NRA handed out went to politicans who were also opposed to reproductive choice and environmental protection laws, and every dollar the Brady Center handed out went to liberals who were in favor of reproductive choice and pro-environment.

[slackmaster]

81. How about ABC News for one?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Relationships/gaymarriage_poll_030922.html

Next MrBenchley will try to tell us that ABC News is a right-wing cesspool.

:eyes:

[alwynsw]

82. No value to that poll

It let me vote several times.

BTW, I support same sex marriages.

[MrBenchley]

85. Hahahahahahaha.....

Too TOO funny. Guess who opposes them.

"Reno, Nevada-- The National Rifle Association, holding its annual convention in this dry desert city, took an opportunity Sunday to demonize the gay and lesbian community with inflammatory homophobic rhetoric.
Anti-gun talk show host Rosie O'Donnell was called a "freak" by one speaker for her recent admission that she's a lesbian. O'Donnell had a much publicized disagreement with pro-gun actor Tom Selleck in 1999 on her talk show. Selleck walked off the show during taping over O'Donnell's remarks.
Debbie Schlussel, a frequent guest on The Howard Stern Show and an avid supporter of the NRA referred to O'Donnell when she said, "She's not cool. She's a freak." Schlussel went on to bash actor Jude Law who recently admitted in an interview that he hesitated to handle a gun in the filming of his latest movie fearing it would contribute to people thinking guns were cool. Schlussel referred to the heterosexual Law as a "girly-man".
Kelly Anne Conway, a conservative pollster, droned on for some time about how the "liberal" media has forced changes in the public school curriculum that put gay and lesbian tolerance ahead of the basic studies of math, English and History. "They're so worried now about how many mommies Heather has that (the teachers) run out of time" Conway went on to state venomously that gay and lesbian issues aren't important to "real" Americans.
Grover Norquist, an NRA Board Member and columnist for American Spectator Magazine, not to be outdone, put forth the barb; "we don't have annual parades for gun owners so everyone can appreciate that gun ownership is an alternative lifestyle and look at how great we are." He also quipped that liberal Americans "don't want (men) to date women." "

http://gaytoday.com/garchive/events/050102ev.htm

Guess which of the figures named in that story landed on the "Pink Pistols" hate list? Here's a hint: it was the only gay person named.

[TyroneStryker]

93. So now you claim that online polls are legit?

As if we've never heard somebody say, "DU this poll". Or we've never heard of a poll being "freeped". Cut it out and be honest.

[alwynsw]

97. Sudden a right wing piece of shit group has a poll that supports a

position so it's true and accurate in every way? Too bad Zogby didn't do this one.

[MrBenchley]

100. Wow....

Guess I wasn't the one who needed those reading comprehension lessons.

[MrBenchley]

99. Are you telling us you oppose marriage for gays?

The NRA sure does.

The O'Leary poll the RKBA crowd was trying to pretend was such hot shit pretends America does too...

[alwynsw]

95. Are you saying that I lied?

I'm only stating that you have either misread the article, failed at comprehending the article, or are spinning the article to your own ends.

[MrBenchley]

101. And I'm laughing my ass off at the attempt

[slackmaster]

21. MrBenchley has distorted the article almost beyond recognition here

The article did NOT say that there were people in Nazi uniforms at the machine-gun shoot he attended in Knob Creek, KY; rather that articles in the press about machine gun shoots usually seek out and highlight such oddities.

..."This is a good point to note that although I appeared friendly in my NRA ball cap and eager grin, folks here were naturally skeptical of a reporter. They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission. They then go back to their New York editing rooms and paint these extremists as indicative of the "gun culture." But after just five minutes here, it was clear that there's nothing more extreme about these people and their love of guns than the folks who travel the world over collecting Hummels or salt shakers....

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110004165

The only fury that erupted in the previous J/PS thread was outrage over MrBenchley's continual misrepresentation of what the article in the WSJ actually said.

[alwynsw]

47. Sorry, but no kewpie doll for you.

There was no mention of seeing anything of the sort there. I don't live in the deep south and I live about 15 minutes from the range in question.

Here's my credibility link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110004165

[MrBenchley]

49. Hahahahahahahaha!!!

"They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms"

I guess next we'll get a stirring defense based on how there were only a few armed nutcases wandering around wearing Nazi uniforms.

[alwynsw]

52. Correction here

Mr. Yost wrote:

They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission.

Where does he state that he saw those types there?

Show me.

I'm waiting.

[beevul]

54. Me too.

"Where does he state that he saw those types there?"

"Show me."

"I'm waiting."-alwynsw

I too would like to see be shown where it says he saw any of that.

[MrBenchley]

56. Too TOO funny

Keep spinning, though. I'm sure someone will believe you.

[alwynsw]

65. Asking you to answer a question is spin?

Add a debate class to that remedial reading class. Then get back to me.

[beevul]

59. Only the...

corrupt anti-gun industry could characterize someone asking them to back up facts as "spin".

[MrBenchley]

64. Too TOO funny...

Again, it's not MY source....the RKBA crowd posted it originally to show what a swell event it was despite armed loonies wandering around dressed in Nazi uniforms.

[alwynsw]

67. If you repeat it enough, you may believe it. You may even convince

someone else to believe it. That still won't make it true.

[MrBenchley]

71. Nah. I'll just point them to the WSJ article

and laugh my ass off if they try to deny it says what it says.

Even funnier, I'll point them to the thread where the RKBA crowd posted the WSJ article and gloated over it until the armed lunatics in Nazi uniforms was pointed out....at which point they frantically tried to pretend there was nothing wrong with armed lunatics in Nazi uniforms
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=16515

[slackmaster]

75. Still no sign that MrBenchley comprehends the WSJ article

How terribly sad.

[alwynsw]

79. The obvious product of a fine New Jersey schools education.

There's an obvious flaw in the curriculum if reading comprehension is this poor in very many of the NJ educational system products.

[TyroneStryker]

88. New Jersey is so pleasing

at the shore. Unfortunately, most of the rest of it is awful.

[TyroneStryker]

76. Sounds like he is trying to convince himself.

If I say it enough times it might become true!

[MrBenchley]

90. Yeah, but no matter how often the RKBA crowd says it

we'll still have the Wall Strreet Journal's account to fall back on...and laugh at..

Not to mention all the claims a couple months ago by the RKBA crowd that there was nothing wrong with the armed shitheels wandering around wearing Nazi uniforms.

[TyroneStryker]

94. I'm new,

please cite.

[MrBenchley]

102. Cite what?

[alwynsw]

43. Like this?

[beevul]

8. The first forum...

I ever saw on DU was the dungeon. I left the Democratic party in 1994 because of anti-gun policy and stayed well clear of politics until I found DU a couple years ago. I read for a long time before I registered. The anti-gun arguments I heard on this board inspired me to get involved and vote again. Folks long gone like thinktank and hampsterdancer were interesting to watch argue, before I registered.
I would like to have "debated" thinktank and known hampsterdancer.

I frequent the 'dungeon because there is alot of misinformation reguarding guns,assault weapons, the AW ban, gun owners, pro-gunners, gun laws,etc. Also because people need to show the anti-gunners that not all gun owners are enemies of the Democratic Party.

It IS addicting, though sometimes it takes on the attributes of a root canal.




Don't tell anyone(it would ruin the J/PS reputation), but occasionally, most of us even agree on something.

[RoeBear]

13. I just like to...

.... impress people with my knowledge by writing mini-novel length responses to people, whether anyone cares about my opinion or not.
It's also fun to insult them when they don't get my cryptic sense of humor. :evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, refill....

I could never match the RKBA crowd in million years...who else would begin a thread with "Russ Feingold- Supporter of the Second Amendment!" and work themselves up to "They (gun nuts) and I despise Feingold…"

[DoNotRefill]

41. I come here for the absurd statements made by some unnamed posters.

regardless of if they're intentionally humerous or not, I find them to be funny.

Of course, that may just mean I have a twisted sense of humor. :)

[alwynsw]

45. I come for the friendly banter and camaderie.

[TyroneStryker]

104. THIS IS INSANE!

The very first thread I've ever started has gone to over 100 posts.

[davidinalameda]

105. locking

getting out of hand--flaming