Interesting article.

[PavePusher]

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/is-it-time-washington-for-constitutional-carry#comment-12718496

" I renewed my Washington Concealed Pistol License (CPL) the other day at the King County Courthouse, walking into the building with the following: A cocked-and-locked .45-caliber pistol, spare magazine, two one-hand-opening pocket knives, a kubotan key ring and at least a couple of small flashlights. It's legal, as noted in my book, Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities.

snip

The CPL renewal process took all of 15 minutes. It cost $32. This set me to thinking about what occurred in Arizona earlier this year. That state passed a law eliminating the necessity of a carry permit for concealed carry. Open carry in Arizona has always been legal. Their state constitutional right to bear arms provision is identical to ours. Hmmmm? My colleague in Phoenix, Douglas Little, wrote about the law here. This column discussed it here."



More at link.

[onehandle]

1. Links from a right-wing web conglomerate are not interesting tonight.

Never, actually.

[PavePusher]

2. Ah yes, "Source is everything, content means nothing."

Argumentum Authoritarum.

This, young padwan, is why you fail.

[east texas lib]

3. Please give us YOUR personal list of "approved" information sources then, by all means...

So that you may show us the difference between Reich and Wrong, O Sage.

[ManiacJoe]

9. Finding a better source than Workman would take lots of effort.

[Euromutt]

24. Just like your posts, then

If you don't find the topic of conversation interesting, you could just not read the thread, and certainly not post how uninterested you are.

I'm far from convinced the "Examiner" site is uniformly right-wing, incidentally. The "gun rights examiners" might all lean right (hardly unexpected), but there are other topics discussed on there.

[AtheistCrusader]

4. Terrible headline.

I mean, seriously.


And yes, the courthouse is very firearms friendly. The Officers at the doors are professional, and have no problems at all, handling customers who need to lockup a firearm for building access. I chatted with a couple last time, they don't just tolerate it, they encourage it.

Edit: I take issue with Workman's description of people at 4th and Jackson. Can we cite someone a little less fucking repugnant?

[PavePusher]

5. You may be right.

I don't know, I've spent a grand total of four hours in Washington.

Then again, some groups of people do make me nervous too. Can you prove he was unjustified in his apprehension?

[RSillsbee]

6. I've been to 4th and Jackson

and was quite glad I was armed

[AtheistCrusader]

7. So, let me highlight the 'interesting' bit.

"To get there from the exorbitantly expensive parking lot, I had to stroll through a crowd of derelicts and other colorful-looking citizens (and a few who might have not been citizens), any of whom might have posed a threat to public safety. During my visit, I chatted with a pal in the King County Sheriff’s Department who acknowledged that he never comes to downtown Seattle unarmed. I suggested he just might be busy the rest of the day if he went outside and checked the crowd for outstanding warrants. He did not disagree."

Do you see a problem here?

[RSillsbee]

8. You assume much

I've had a few chances to interact w/ Dave Workman (He is a regular contributor at THR.us) and I've not known him to be racist.

Maybe it's not assumption but projection

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Projection?

Indeed.

"1: having striking colors <colorful scenery>
2: full of variety or interest <a colorful description>"

Help me out here, what was meant by 'colorful'?
And yes, I'm sure illegal aliens like to hang out outside the courthouse. No one would look for them there.

[RSillsbee]

12. what was meant by 'colorful'?

I don't know I'm not Dave Workman perhaps you could login on the Examiner article and ask him

[PavePusher]

13. I think you are erroneously reading "colorful-looking citizens" as...

"people of color".

Generally, the connotation of the phrase (which I've usually seen written as "colorful character(s)" means excentric, odd, flamboyant, striking, conspicuous, etc. It is often used as an euphanism for people with non-benign appearance or intentions.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colorful 2 : full of variety or interest <a colorful description>

Do we really need to write a primer on colloquial American English in every thread these days? Stop trying to apply racist intent to every turn of phrase. If you have to turn peoples statements inside-out to find mal-intent in them, maybe it's not actually in there.

Edit: had to clean up some phrasing/incorrect quoting. Oops.

[AtheistCrusader]

14. You notice I actually specified the Merriam-Webster definitions in the post you responded to.

And no, I don't buy it. His use is not common english by any understanding of the term I am aware of.

And you don't address the illegal alien bit. Again, I am not aware of illegal aliens hanging out as close as possible to law enforcement. The idea seems... 'alarmist'.

[PavePusher]

17. I've heard it quite often...

in many parts of the country. I also run across new colloquiallisms every week. Just because you haven't heard it, doesn't mean it's not in common use. It may be possible that perhaps it started as a racist term, but I've neither the time nor energy to dig into the etemology of the phrase tonight.

As far as illegal aliens, well, I live in Arizona currently, and you can find them everywhere. Maybe less around courthouses and police stations since SB1070... Whodathunkit.

I still don't understand what's wrong with being against illegal "immigration". I'm against it, no matter what skin tone the person has. And yes, I have personnal experience with illegals from both our southern borders and from Europe.

P.S. I had actually missed your dictionary reference until you mentioned it. My bad... but I think it seems to support my statements. YMMV.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Dave's been here in the NW as long as I can remember.

I have two editions of his Washington State Gun Owners Rights and Responsibilities book, and one of his holsters. I've also met him. Pretty sure his common-use language is from around here.

[PavePusher]

26. An example here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/6/918292/-Book-Club:-Lonesome-Dove

Third paragraph, first sentence.

[Katya Mullethov]

27. Might I illustrate further ?

Poorly executed moko not withstanding , here are many excellent examples of colorful individuals .
(The Subguns "beauty queen" made the list again)

http://www.wmur.com/slideshow/slideshow/20067310/detail.html

[SteveM]

23. You should see the "colors" at one of Austin's coffee houses...

Green. Red. Blue. Pink. Tri-color. And that's just the men's hair.

I informed one woman that her hair met the International Orange requirement for hunting big-game on Texas public lands. Cost-effective, I say.

[Kennah]

15. +1 about Dangerous Dave Workman

He's a very knowledgeable source on Washington gun law. He's not racist, but he does lean far right. On the Tea Party, I think he's deluded himself into believing they are only about smaller government and lower taxes.

[RSillsbee]

18. He also has a GALCO holster named for him EOM

[Euromutt]

25. That's a pretty on-the-mark assessement

Based on the impression I've managed to form about him. Comparable to Massad Ayoob; very knowledgeable about (certain aspects of) self-defense (particularly with firearms), but woefully right-wing overall.

[ManiacJoe]

10. That is not an inaccurate description of the crowd

normally found in the area of the court house.

[benEzra]

20. "Colourful" is a Britishism that has been adopted in American speech

to describe a person or anecdote that is interesting, vivid, or unconventional. It makes no reference to skin color; it is talking about vividness.

Some examples...

Lyndall Gordon, _Charlotte Bronte - A Passionate Life_ (London: W.W. Norton, 1994/New York: W.W. Norton, 1995), p. 394

http://www.bmj.com/content/287/6406/1687.citation">_British Medical Journal_ book review entitled "Christmas Books: Gallery of colourful personalities"

Unless you believe that W. W. Norton and the British Medical Journal are overtly racist, I believe that casting aspersions on "colourful/colorful" as a descriptor of an unconventional personality is unjustified.

If you have access to a university library, look up the etymology and usage history in OED; I think you'll find that it is completely non-racist. It is precisely the same usage as "colorful language" or "colorful prose".

[PavePusher]

21. Ha! Come to think (yeah, I'm slow today...)...

That may be where I picked up the expression, living there for 7 1/2 years and all...

But I'm still certain that I've heard it in the U.S. as well.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. And how are the typical people in that location 'vivid'?

In what way?

[Kennah]

16. I worked at 6th and Jackson for about 18 months

There are some assertive panhandlers, but I grew up in the D.C. suburbs. Puget Sound area panhandlers have nothing on D.C. area panhandlers.

If I won't go into a given place unarmed, then I definitely ain't going there armed.