Atlanta police charge man in Halloween-night shooting over egg-splattered Mercedes

[LAGC]

ATLANTA — An Atlanta man has been charged with gunning down a young man he thought threw eggs at his Mercedes in a Halloween prank.

Police spokesman Carlos Campos says officers arrested 20-year-old Michael Hunnicutt around 1:35 p.m. Friday and charged him with murder in the death of 18-year-old Tavarus Erving on Oct. 31.

Police say Hunnicutt shot Erving after he confronted him because he believed Erving splattered his Mercedes with eggs. Police say 10 shots were fired.

Hunnicutt was being held Friday in the Fulton County jail. Police said they didn't know if Hunnicutt had an attorney.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/nation/atlanta-police-charge-man-in-halloween-night-shooting-over-egg-splattered-mercedes-109343074.html#ixzz15munj4ax

Stories like this are proof that some idiots really shouldn't own guns. The thing is though, he's probably some rich guy with no criminal record, who just takes his property way too seriously. So how do you stop someone like that from owning guns? Would gun controls have prevented it? I doubt it. Sometimes you just have to accept a certain level of unfortunate violence for the rest of us to enjoy our freedoms. Tragic, in any case.

[texastoast]

1. Good

The kid was having "fun," and this asshole has to live the rest of his life knowing that he killed a mother's son.

The sad part is people who act like this don't give a flying fuck about the kid or the mother. They "are within their rights" and God Bless Mercedes and the status it brings.

[RSillsbee]

18. If he was "within his rights" he wouldn't have been arrested NT

[lawodevolution]

29. Wrong, not within his rights

He has the right to own a gun and use it for sport or self defense when his life is in danger. He could have used a knife or baseball bat to kill the kid.

[Pavulon]

2. 10:1 he is a thug. Original story had address, it was in middle of crackdon.

all criminals is my bet.

added link:

was right the first time. thug idiots, not the first shot in the class war. Gold mercedes was a giveaway.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/25857400/detail.html

[Euromutt]

32. Can't say I know too many 20 year-olds who own Mercs

And came by them using gains that were not ill-gotten, that is. Okay, I've known some twentysomethings who owned expensive cars, but they worked for up-and-coming companies in Silicon Valley, and they were old enough to have been out of college for a few years. I'm betting Mr. Hunnicutt didn't own the firearm legally either, being too young to legally buy one.

[Pavulon]

39. Mercedes do not OEM in gold

I posted a google street view of this corner, obviously cracky

[sharesunited]

3. If the point of your post is the rich shouldn't own guns don't bother.

No person who chooses to live in the United States should own a gun.

Look at yourself. You wind up making excuses for gun ownership by saying it's all worth it no matter how irresponsible the behavior has been.

The accepted irresponsibility of people is reason we can't buy heroin and cocaine over the counter.

Some people say that the availability of heroin and cocaine on the black market is the reason why guns and ammo should be available to good citizens over the retail counter.

But that tends to fall apart when a legal gun owner and a legal gun and legal ammo do some indisputable harm.

The argument then traditionally arises that licenses to drive cars should be abolished because people drive badly or drive drunk.

The key difference is that driving irresponsibly is distinguishable from gun and ammo use as technology designed and intended to conveniently and efficiently kill as opposed to intended to safely transport but ineptly misused.

I'm talking to you, you bottomlessly windy defenders of an obsolete and deliberately misinterpreted Second Amendment to favor gun and ammo ownership.

I've got your number.

[LAGC]

4. Actually, if we accepted the irresponsibility of drug users...

We'd legalize drugs like heroin and cocaine, wouldn't we? Seems like it would be easier to deal with addicts if they had a safe and legal place to go to try to wean themselves off of their addictions, not to mention utterly destroying the black market and all the crime it fuels.

I guess I just don't see how banning guns would have solved anything. I mean, what's stopping a guy like this who takes his property so seriously from carrying a knife and jumping out of his car and stabbing suspected egg-thrower to death? Seems like the gun is just a handy scapegoat.

[sharesunited]

5. Please post the earliest story you can find re the COD of the Ohio abductees / murder victims.

Was the COD a gun and ammo or other means?

I will take my obligatory time out when it turns out he committed his heinous crimes with a knife.

[LAGC]

6. I'm not familiar with any "Ohio abductee" story.

Can you please provide link?

[sharesunited]

7. Three dead, one released from basement imprisonment.

Was a gun involved?

Why is it being covered up that a gun was the means of committing this crime?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/18/ohio.family/index.html?iref=allsearch

[LAGC]

8. Could be...

But couldn't such a crime have just as easily been committed with a knife if no gun was available?

I mean, its just as easy to control/kidnap people with a knife to one of their throats and telling the others to do what they say or else he'll slash her throat.

Just seems like the weapon of choice is immaterial to the fact that some people are just sick fucks.

[sharesunited]

9. You're making excuses for guns and ammo.

I'll wait for the COD to eat crow. In the meantime, I say these people ended up controlled and slaughtered with a handgun.

Who can escape / overcome such means?

[LAGC]

10. Well, what's the solution though?

How do you prevent criminals from getting a hold of weapons without taking them away from the vast majority of people who don't use them for evil purposes? In an ideal world of yours without guns and ammo, would crimes like this not happen? Somehow I find that hard to believe...

[sharesunited]

11. Recognize a level of availabilty which results from the excuse of "Legal" gun ownership.

You are asking about a solution which should be self evident if you're honest.

Less means scarce as in winding up in the hands of collectors least likely to use such technology in a crime.

Ultimately, not acceptable in anyone's hands whatsoever. Do we accept child porn in the hands of "collectors?" No way.

How do you take child pornography from some tolerated sub noise-level acceptable level of society to a zero tolerance zero acceptable state?

Public policy, that's how.

We say, this is harmful and that is all there is to it.

[LAGC]

12. Comparing gun ownership to child pornography? Really?

In what cases is child pornography ever used for legitimate purposes? I mean, with guns you have: recreational target shooting, self-defense, collecting, etc. I just don't see how you can compare the two.

[sharesunited]

13. You seek to pit the 1st amendment against the 2nd amendment.

You seek color of legitimacy to justify what causes some grievous and ultimate harm.

Yes you are on the spot for the legitimacy argument.

[LAGC]

14. Last time I checked, child pornography wasn't protected by the First Amendment.

I think the SCOTUS has ruled at least twice on such counts.

But gun ownership is clearly specified in the Second Amendment, by name: "keep and bear ARMS."

And the SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that guns are indeed protected.

[sharesunited]

16. All you're saying is the SCOTUS majority are biased.

This SCOTUS majority wants the general public of the United States to have access to guns and ammo because they implicitly approve of the resulting unjust death and injury?

Compare this to their willingness to delimit the First Amendment to protect the young.

If bullets in children were counted against lewd images, what would the consistent holding be?

[cleanhippie]

28. You just keep putting up strawman after strawman after strawman.

Why should anyone even bother to respond to you?

You ignore facts.

You evade the questions that poke giant holes in your ideas.

You reply with strawman arguments.

You refuse to engage in anything resembling critical thought and debate.

So why should your ideas be given even a passing thought?

[cleanhippie]

27. He is not making excuses, he is DEBUNKING (again) your ignorant claims.

But as usual, you ignore the real facts of the matter and continue to spew your baseless allegations.

[oneshooter]

31. NEWS FLASH The 3 people in Ohio were killed with a knife...

The bodies dismembered and stuck inside a hollow tree. This acording to ABC News. More to follow.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. Your hatred for guns has led you astray AGAIN: "Coroner: 2 Ohio women, boy stabbed and dismembered"

May I suggest some intense therapy and a close read of Eric Hoffer's The True Believer during your timeout?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4622944

redirish28 (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-20-10 03:23 PM
Original message
Coroner: 2 Ohio women, boy stabbed and dismembered
Source: AP

MOUNT VERNON, Ohio – A coroner says two Ohio women and an 11-year-old boy were stabbed to death before they were dismembered.

Knox County Coroner Jennifer Ogle released the autopsy results Saturday. She says Tina Herrmann, her son Kody Maynard and her friend Stephanie Sprang were attacked with a knife and stabbed multiple times in the back and chest....

[one-eyed fat man]

34. Guess you will have to take that time out

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/ohio-victims-stabbed-dismembered-coroner-says/19727214?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-tarana%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk3%7C185386

An Ohio mom, her 11-year-old son and a friend were all stabbed multiple times in the back, their dead bodies dismembered and lowered in garbage bags into the hollow of a tree, according to a coroner's report released Saturday.

So was their dog.

You must be so fucking disappointed this is the second "shooting" with knives you've been on about that I can remember! Have some sympathy for the 13 year old girl that likely witnessed that mad man hack up her family. It appears the sick bastard had been stalking them for a while.

[benEzra]

37. Maybe because they were murdered with a KNIFE. (n/t)

[spin]

15. For every legal gun owner who does harm with his/her firearm ...

there are tens of thousands of gun owners who use their firearms in a responsible manner for sport or for self defense.

One thing that makes our country unique in this world is our freedoms. The ultimate guarantee of these freedoms is our right to own firearms.

Our founding fathers through genius or luck wrote the oldest lasting written national constitution currently in use. This document has been described as a "landmark document of the Western world". What did these very interesting individuals have to say about the Second Amendment and firearms?

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

Ref: http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm

Given a choice, I would rather listen to true wisdom from the founding fathers then to your advise.

[sharesunited]

17. You speak explicity of your guarantee of freedom to shoot someone.

Do you realize how outmoded that viewpoint is?

Do you understand that the American Civil War was waged by assholes who said the government needed to be resisted by guns and ammo?

I want to give you at least a little room to wake up to how obsolete you are in the expression of your political sentiment about guns and ammunition.

[RSillsbee]

19. What is the difference between me using a gun

and you using a Katana?

[proteus_lives]

21. Hilarious.

"Do you understand that the American Civil War was waged by assholes who said the government needed to be resisted by guns and ammo?"

And defeated by men with guns.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

[PavePusher]

26. Do you offer your services to provide protection and security for others? n/t

[spin]

30. The Civil War was fought for four main reasons ...

1.) Economic differences between the North and the South.

The Southern economy was based on growing cotton, the North economy was based on industry. The south was a plantation society to a great extent dependent on slavery. The north was a vibrant evolving city society the South an unchanging and somewhat antiquated society.

2. States rights as opposed to Federal Rights.

This had been an issue of contention since the formation of the first American government under the Articles of Confederation. There was a long battle over ratifying the Constitution between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. A compromise was reached and the Federalists agreed that after the Constitution was ratified, Congress would meet and draft a Bill of Rights. To a great extent the people who fought for the South in the Civil War supported the ideas of Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry who were strong backers of states rights.

3. The issue of slavery.

The framers of the Constitution had never been able to find a solution to the problem slavery presented. Slavery had existed in the colonies for 168 years prior to the Constitution and while northern states had abolished the institution, the South felt dependent on it.

Slavery was largely a moral issue in the North and an economic issue in the South. While it was definitely a cause of the Civil War, many historians do not consider the conflict simply a war to free slaves.

The Abolition Movement elevated tensions between the North and the South as while the Antislavery movement desired to eliminate slavery by legal process, the Abolition Movement was far more radical in its approach.


4. The election of Lincoln.

The precipitating event. The South viewed Lincoln as anti-slavery and hated the South. Before Lincoln took office, seven states had seceded from the Union.



I'm not quite sure that the men who fought for the South could be all lumped together as "assholes". Robert E. Lee, the general that was in command of the Southern forces still has a lot of respect as "“one of the greatest military commanders in history.” Many argue that he was opposed to slavery and it is true that black soldiers fought for the South.

Had Lee not have made several serious mistakes at Gettysburg, we might be a divided nation today.

You state, "You speak explicitly of your guarantee of freedom to shoot someone..."

I don't have a freedom to shoot someone. If I do shoot a person, it will go through legal review and I may well end up in prison if it is determined that I made a bad decision. I have the right to shoot someone in legitimate self defense or defense of another person.

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

* Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
* Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or worse.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html

Since the Supreme Court has made two very recent landmark decisions that deal with RKBA, I doubt that my views on the topic are obsolete in the least.

The sad part is that you continue to tilt against windmills.

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. I figured out long ago that you give a damn about non-gun crime victims.

They do not get mentioned in your posts. They are a distraction from the True Cause.

Nor are you happy about the reduced murder rates in the US- because there are still guns in the hands of civilians, darn it.

I'd even venture to say that fact makes you unhappy as it disturbs propagation of the faith.

I would point out that if every gun disappeared from the US tomorrow and never replaced, the US would still have a higher murder rate than most advanced countries.

[sharesunited]

38. If you view the USA as one of the most murderous nations on earth

it doesn't make sense that you want the means to commit murder (especially mass murder) so readily available to the American public.

[one-eyed fat man]

40. Mass murders

The Happy Land Social Club fire was the result of a jealous boyfriend using a buck's worth of gasoline and two matches to kill 87 people.

Name a shooter in the US that got as close as even half that.

Fire and explosives are both far more efficient than firearms at causing mass casualties.

[proteus_lives]

20. "No person who chooses to live in the United States should own a gun."

What about choosing a religion, free speech or representation?

Would you give those up if some nice man in a uniform promised you that you would be safe?

"I've got your number."

You've been dialing the wrong number for years.

We don't answer to 1-800-AUTHORITARIANISM.

[jazzhound]

24. +1,000,000

We don't answer to 1-800-AUTHORITARIANISM.

:thumbsup:

[PavePusher]

25. Are the freedoms of the First Amendment worth the abuses of it?

Or does your manufactured-from-whole-cloth-angst only correlate to the Second?

[slackmaster]

22. The answer is better mental health care

The guy is obviously a nut case.

[RSillsbee]

23. No the answer is fewer Mercedes

having a Mecedes Benz emboldened this man to commit his crime. Make Benzes scarce that's thwe only way to stop this type of crime Make them scarce I say.

[Euromutt]

33. More likely, he's a drug dealer with a massive chip on his shoulder

The suspect is twenty; it's extremely unlikely he acquired a Mercedes and a handgun via legitimate means at that age, and like so many inner-city drug dealers, he probably has some pathological hangup about being "disrespected."

[RSillsbee]

41. It is completely legal

for a 20 YO to purchase a handgun in a private sale he/she just can'tpurchase from an FFL

[Euromutt]

42. I'm aware of that

I'm sure Mr. Hunnicutt purchased his Mercedes legally, but I doubt he used money he had acquired by legal means to do it. Similarly, I suspect that his acquisition of a firearm, while technically legal, involved a certain amount of lack of good faith on the seller's part regarding Mr. Hunnicutt's bona fides.