Two views on new ATF director, Brady Campaign and NRA-ILA...

[spin]

NRA Sides with Gang Members, Killers Over ATF
Opinion by Brady Campaign
(1 Day Ago) in Society / Guns

By Paul Helmke

There the NRA goes again -- siding with the common gang member and drug dealer who wants to use a semi-automatic weapon to wreak havoc in our communities.

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The NRA bosses should be ashamed, or maybe they should just be honest and rename their organization the National Rogue Association, because here they are, again, going to the mat for mass killers - this time by waging “strong opposition” to President Obama’s nominee to fill the director’s post at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Andrew Traver has been tapped to lead the nation’s top crime-fighting agency, which hasn’t had a director in over four years. (See our August report about the unprecedented vacancy here.) He is the current ATF chief for the Chicago region - home to the city where last July 303 people were shot and 33 killed in 31 days.

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Apparently the gun guys are upset that Traver did a TV interview where he helped demonstrate the lethality of an AK-47, while explaining, “Pull the trigger and you can mow down people.” Then Traver added that, “the growing frequency of gang members and drug dealers using heavy caliber military-type weapons” is a problem we should be concerned about.

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No, the NRA bosses are all tied up in knots because Traver didn’t make it clear enough to the TV audience that a fully automatic weapon (like the one the reporter apparently blasted) can get a few rounds out more quickly than a semi-automatic and is not as readily available to the general public (although they would like it to be).
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nra-sides-with-gang-members-killers-over-atf

NOTE: Watch the video at http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2010/11/16/how-bad-is-andrew-traver/

NRA Opposes Andrew Traver as Head of BATFE
Opinion by NRA
(3 Days Ago) in Society / Guns

Statement from Chris W. Cox, executive director, NRA Institute for Legislative Action:

The National Rifle Association of America strongly opposes President Obama's nomination of Andrew Traver as director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). Traver has been deeply aligned with gun control advocates and anti-gun activities.

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Traver served as an advisor to the International Association for Chiefs of Police's (IACP) "Gun Violence Reduction Project," a "partnership" with the Joyce Foundation. Both IACP and the Joyce Foundation are names synonymous with promoting a variety of gun control schemes at the federal and state levels. Most of the individuals involved in this project were prominent gun control activists and lobbyists.

The IACP report, generated with Traver's help, called on Congress to ban thousands of commonly owned firearms by misrepresenting them as “assault weapons,” as well as calling for bans on .50 caliber rifles and widely used types of ammunition. The report also suggests that Congress should regulate gun shows out of existence and should repeal the privacy protections of the Tiahrt Amendment -- all efforts strongly opposed by the NRA and its members.

Traver also participated in an extremely deceptive NBC Chicago report (http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Assault-Weapons-Surge-in-City-69620227.html) in which he referred to "the growing frequency of gang members and drug dealers using heavy caliber military-type weapons" and described them as if they were machine guns: "Pull the trigger and you can mow people down." Traver and his agents provided the reporter with a fully automatic AK-47, with which she was unable to hit the target. He then said that stray bullets are "one of the main problems with having stuff like this available to the gangs."
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nra-opposes-andrew-traver-as-head-of-batfe

[old mark]

1. I agree with the NRA on this guy- the stuff he said about the semi auto rifles is

all lies, and the full auto versions of any of these rifles is illegal to import and requires a federal license to legally own those already here...and a lot of money as well. Federal law has banned full auto firearms -submachine guns, actual assault rifles and machineguns - from general ownership since the mid 1930's...I guess Mr. Traver just forgot about that. A special license is required to own or even transfer them, and a class III FFL dealers licence is required to sell them.

The administration of the ATF has been very anti-gun to the point of lies and illegal activities for many years, and Mr. Traver will not be an improvement.

mark

[lawodevolution]

2. The NRA article reads like journalism while the Brady Campaign statement reminds me of an child's...

spoiled rant after losing to the "gun guys"

[Hoopla Phil]

4. I noticed that too.

[Callisto32]

5. I wish the Brady people still had up the knee-jerk video they made upon release of the 5.7x28.

They shot a piece of soft body armor with a 9mm, a .45 ACP, a 1oz rifled slug, 00buck and a 5.7.

Each one the "ex cop" talked about how the police officer wearing this "would probably be fine" because the rounds did not entirely penetrate; except for the anemic 5.7 which was super-lethal, of course, because it penetrated the vest. They left out the part where pretty much EVERY rile round will defeat any kind of currently available soft body armor.

I thought they killed off their last vestige of credibility with that one....

[chibajoe]

6. I remember seeing those video and thinking

(with regards to the gauge slug) "you know, if someone hit me with a sledge hammer, it wouldn't penetrate much either, but I'd still be dead."

[spin]

7. The FN Five-seven has a history of controversy ...

In 2005, the FN Five-seven and 5.7x28mm ammunition were the subject of brief controversy in the United States when it was stated by the Brady Campaign that commercially available SS192 ammunition penetrated a Level IIA Kevlar vest in testing.<48><49> The National Rifle Association shortly countered this claim by stating that the Brady Campaign may not have adhered to standard testing procedures, and by pointing out that FN only offers armor-piercing variants of the 5.7x28mm cartridge to law enforcement and military customers.<18><49> Commercially available varieties of the 5.7x28mm cartridge are classified by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) as being not armor-piercing and it was stated that the SS192 and SS196 cartridge varieties did not penetrate various types of Kevlar vests in tests conducted by FNH USA.<25> In 2005, the Five-seven pistol and 5.7x28mm ammunition were specifically targeted for a United States federal ban, which failed.<50> However, sales of the pistol increased dramatically.<48>emphasis added

The Five-seven and 5.7x28mm ammunition were the subject of further controversy following reports of their use by drug cartels in the Mexican Drug War.<3><51><52> Some reports stated that the pistol was used in various incidents to murder police officers or civilians.<51><53> According to the ATF, the Five-seven is one of the weapons favored by drug cartels in the Mexican Drug War, and smuggled Five-seven pistols can sell for $2,600 to $5,000 in Mexico.<3><52>

In November 2009, the Five-seven and 5.7x28mm ammunition again became the subject of controversy following the pistol's reported use by U.S. Army psychiatrist, Major Nidal Malik Hasan in the Fort Hood shooting, where 13 were killed and 30 were wounded.<54><55><56> Shortly after the shooting took place, FNH USA responded with a fact sheet dismissing allegations about the nature of the pistol and 5.7x28mm sporting ammunition.<37> Later in the month, a number of gun control organizations such as the Brady Campaign wrote a collaborative letter to U.S. President Barack Obama, citing the firearm's reported use by the Fort Hood shooter and Mexican drug cartels, and calling on him to ban importation of the Five-seven pistol and 5.7x28mm ammunition.<57>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7x28mm#Controversy

[DissedByBush]

3. So he's one of those .50 cal idiots n/t