Texas college president lies about concealed carry legislation

[one-eyed fat man]

http://www.campuscarry.com/2010/11/22/texas-college-president-insults-survivors-of-mass-shooting/#_ednref3

When a Texas legislator filed a bill to permit concealed carry, Dr. Bill Holda of was upset. He told the local TV station he wanted to avoid a situation like Luby's (reference to a 1991 mass shooting in Killeen) because "...where you have multiple shooters and innocent people were killed by other people who had concealed licensed handguns because they weren't sure who was the shooter and who was the defender."

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/one-local-college-president-says-no-way-to-campus-guns

To characterize as a complete and utter fabrication would be charitable. Never mind it was a lone gunman, no cross fire, or the fact under Texas law in 1991 concealed carry was illegal. Ignore the fact that one of the survivor's of the shooting was, in fact, instrumental in passing the Texas law permitting in concealed carry in 1996. But Dr. Bill didn't stop there with outright falsehoods.

He also accused the state lawmakers of being hypocritical in that they were pushing for concealed carry on campus while not permitting it in the State Capitol. In reality, concealed carry permit holders may by-pass the metal detectors and carry concealed weapons even in the House and Senate chamber galleries.

The only thing the proposed law would do is make Texas college campuses like restaurants, stores, city streets, or even the statehouse. Those with a license could carry just like everywhere else in Texas.

Dr. Holda is not shy about his belief that he should be able to override any concealed carry bill, but everything thing he has said about the subject has been completely, monumentally and, in cases, offensively WRONG!

[geckosfeet]

1. His campus, his rules. But I can see where he bent the truth to get across a point.

But as it is a State university I don't see where he has a choice in the matter.

[one-eyed fat man]

2. Bent the truth??

He is entitled to his opinion, he is not entitled to his own set of "facts."

He didn't mix up dates, he didn't confuse locations, he didn't misspeak. It was not confused memories, it was a flat out complete and utter fabrication, a demeaning and insulting one at that.

[geckosfeet]

6. Yes. Demonize the man. That will show him.

Fact is, he has little say in the matter.

[one-eyed fat man]

7. Apparently, he has had a LOT to say.

He's all over Texas TV and newspapers.

He also appears not to like that at least one TV station reporter called him on his lie.

"Yes. I was incorrect. But that doesn't really change my opinion." -- Dr. Bill Holda

Demonizing? Here's demonizing:

Sounds to me like Holda is a puke-swilling scumbag, appropriating a tragedy and outright lying about it in order to justify his pants-crapping hysterics concerning firearms.

Happy now?

[geckosfeet]

11. Yes. Your analysis is illuminating.

Some folks just don't know when to shut their pie holes.

[east texas lib]

26. Bullseye.

:thumbsup:

[lawodevolution]

23. Allow this kind of Brady campaign like corruption...

and we'll end up like Mexico. We need to call out people like this idiot who straight up lie in public.

But you know how it goes with gun control supporters: Lies, deception, manipulation and sensationalism.

[Hoopla Phil]

12. self delete

[DissedByBush]

27. "bent the truth" - euphemism of the week

That's what we're calling flat-out provable LIES now?

[Douva]

3. The Saga Continues

Kilgore College President Bill Holda continues flying the flag of ignorance:

http://www.campuscarry.com/2010/11/23/kilgore-college-president-continues-his-assault-on-campus-carry/#content

[one-eyed fat man]

5. He sure lives up to the old joke.............

B.S., M.S., Ph.D.

that's bullshit, more shit, piled higher and deeper!

"Yes. I was incorrect. But that doesn't really change my opinion." -- Dr. Bill Holda

I'd have to disagree with your assessment that he is ignorant. Ignorance is curable, all it takes is knowledge of the facts. Obstinate stupidity is incurable for it is characterized by a complete unwillingness to accept facts that don't fit preconceived notions.

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. I read the linked article- Holda's statements are a parade of mendacity.

Given the multiple documented untruths he has uttered, I'd say he truly believes 'the ends justify any means'....

[spin]

17. Obviously he believes that he is far smarter than the average person ...

and when he looks at himself in a mirror he sees a wise man staring back.

All too often, intellectuals believe that they can't be wrong. After all, all their degrees prove that they are superior to the average person.

All too often, they fail to realize that they lack commonsense.

[DissedByBush]

28. Kinda reminds me of Bush, "There are WMDs! There are WMDs!"

Just close your eyes and cover your ears and keep repeating it loudly.

They think it will make people believe them.

We just see them throwing a tantrum.

[spin]

4. This man is a college president? How sad for the college ...

He should find another career. Perhaps he could work for the Brady Campaign, they love to lie, exaggerate and fabricate.

[HelenWheels]

8. I'll say it again

The gun guys won't be satisfied until every one HAS to carry a gun at all times.

[slackmaster]

9. No

Only people who really want to.

[Kennah]

10. I have yet to find anyone demanding everyone must carry ...

... but there are plenty of people demanding I can't carry.

[PavePusher]

13. Cite to evidence...

or your claim is no more valid than the good Doctors.

No matter how many times you say it.

[spin]

14. This is a common assertion not based on fact ...

Gun owners and especially those who have concealed carry permits have no desire that "every one HAS to carry a gun at all times".

I have no problem with people who don't want to own firearms or to carry them. We live in a "free" country and owning or carrying a firearm should be a individual decision subject to local law.

I believe that the local law should allow an honest, law abiding person to own firearms for legitimate purposes such as hunting, target shooting, collecting or even self defense. I also believe that honest law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry firearms for self defense. I personally like "shall issue" concealed carry laws which require a background check, training and proficiency with a firearm before the license is issued. I am familiar with licensed concealed carry as it is what is available in my state and has proven worthwhile and effective.

If you don't want to carry a firearm or even own one that's your decision. Why should I want to force you to carry?

All I want is for you to have the same rights that I do. Why should you be a second class citizen? Is that asking too much?

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. And I'll say this in reply: You apparently get your 'facts' where Holda does.

I will retract that if you can back up what you claim.

[DonP]

18. Unfair demand for facts!

Now you should know better by now.

You are not allowed to ask people that pop up, shoot their mouth off for a post or two, ignore all questions and responses then run back to GD feeling all smug and wise beyond their years, to provide actual facts for their favorite bumper sticker level of intelligence and simplistic expression.

It's just not fair to them, since they have no facts to support their statements. They just show up, puke out something and run away.

[SteveM]

30. Oh, don't go there. It's dark, and has a peculiar odor.

[benEzra]

19. Nope. I do value the choice to carry myself...

but I respect your own desire not to own or carry one. I fully recognize that choice is a two-way street.

[Glassunion]

20. Yes... Choice is a two-way street.

But for some, allowing the choice that disagrees with theirs is a 4-way stop.

[proteus_lives]

21. Wrong of course.

We simply want people to have the choice.

Choice, I know that word is very scary to your type.

[Euromutt]

22. It doesn't matter how many times you say it...

...it's not going to magically become true.

Speaking as someone who attended college while in possession of a concealed carry permit, what I'll be satisfied with is when the administration of an institution of higher learning that is unable to protect me from violent crime on campus (including, but not limited to, "active shooters" like Seung-Hui Cho and Steven Kazmierczak), and refuses to accept responsibility for protecting me (and the concomitant liability for failing to do so), acknowledges that it therefore does not have the legitimate authority to deprive me of possessing the means to defend myself on its turf.

You don't want to carry a firearm? I'm not going tell you should, let alone seek to force you to. But unless you're willing to guarantee my safety from violent crime in public places, I don't think you get to tell me I can't. That's all there is to it.

[lawodevolution]

24. wrong

"The gun guys won't be satisfied until every one HAS to carry a gun at all times."

See #23, this lies under "sensationalism" and "manipulation"

You all should try to get new tactics.

[east texas lib]

25. I won't be satisfied until everyone has to carry two or three, and a sword...

Just to clarify.;-)

[SteveM]

29. Your culture war tactic needs correction...

No one in this forum (nor anywhere else) has advocated "...gun guys won't be satisfied until every one HAS to carry a gun at all times." If you have information to the contrary, present it. Otherwise, you are engaging -- I'll say it again -- in a hateful culture war in which your "side" is losing. Badly.

[PavePusher]

31. Update!

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/dialog-on-campus-guns-helps-clear-up-perceptions

"...Enter Jack Burch, CEO of Hill Country Shooting Sports Center in Kerrville, Texas. Burch approached Holda with courtesy and reason, and was responded to in kind. They conducted a conversation via email, and he obtained Dr. Holda’s permission to share his thoughts with a wider audience.

To that end, Mr. Burch is allowing me to share it with Gun Rights Examiner readers."

Much more at link, including link through to the e-mail exchange between Mr. Burch and Dr. Holda.

Sample: "Jack: Thanks for your email. Your email was one of the most thoughtful and informative I havereceived. Most of the emails just called me an idiot and a liar and hoped that I would be a victim of violent gunfire. You are correct that I needed to be careful of my comments, particularly how they werepresented by the press. You are correct re: my inaccuracy re: the Killeen shooting. I could not remember the details and referredto that incident out of ignorance. I did an additional interview two days later with KETK andacknowledged that I was incorrect and apologized for any harm that was done. I continue to have concerns about the proposed legislation. I have been reviewing the information onthe Violence Policy Center website; there one can see a list of innocent individuals who have been killedby the licensed carriers of handguns.http://www.vpc.org/We often do not hear about this side of the story - that concealed handguns are not only used for protection, but have been used inappropriatelyon occasion to kill innocent individuals."




It appears that Dr. Holda may be educable after all. Still, it concerns me that a person in his position will pop off about a subject he is woefully ill-prepared on. Not at all suprising, looking only at recent events, but all too common and worrisome.




Edit: My comment at the site - "I agree that Dr. Holda is sounding much more reasonable after he's had his errors pointed out to him and some time for reasoned reflection.

However, it still greatly bothers me that he seems to continue to believe that a college/university is a zone where the Constitution can be subverted, and the burden of doing so placed on the students.

That attitude needs to stopped cold, regardless of how "reasonable" he seems to be."
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[Xenotime]

32. Guns, guns, guns is the chant in Texas it always seems.

[oneshooter]

33. Proof please. Site where any such thing was printed. n/t

[PavePusher]

34. You and Shares United should sit next to each other.

You could give each other... a hand.

[SteveM]

35. Sounds like Holda did his fair share of chanting -- and got a response.