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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:04 PM
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New lawmaker files guns on campus bill
AUSTIN (KXAN) - A newly elected Texas state lawmaker is paving the way for the upcoming legislative session’s debate over guns on campus. Rep.-elect David Simpson , R-Longview, filed House Bill 86 this week, which would allow college students who have a concealed carry license to bring their guns to school.
In the wake up this fall’s shooting at the University of Texas, Driver went before the House Public Safety Committee to discuss bringing such legislation up again.
Simpson said he wants to file a substitute to his bill to allow private universities and colleges to opt out of the campus-carry law. Otherwise, any university or college in Texas could not stop “license holders from carrying handguns on the campus.”
However, students would not be able to store handguns in their dorm rooms. Schools would not be held liable for any damages caused by the guns. If it passes, the law would go into effect Sept. 1, 2011.


More at:
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/politics/new-lawmaker-files-guns-on-campus-bill

Sounds like a well thought out bill.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 06:10 PM
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1. I like this part ...

However, students would not be able to store handguns in their dorm rooms. Schools would not be held liable for any damages caused by the guns.
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/politics/new-lawmaker-files-guns-on-campus-bill


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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 07:41 PM
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2. Any organization that is responsible for
any monetary loss should be held liable for such loss. I don't get the exemptions. Does that mean if a college sets up a firing range with no backstop and someone is killed by a gun shot they are not responsible? You want to take away our rights to civil court cases?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-10 08:09 PM
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3. Shooting ranges are a separate issue. This is a concession to the fearmongers
Edited on Tue Nov-30-10 08:10 PM by benEzra
who opine that allowing older students to exercise their rights makes the university liable for the gun, which is as silly as arguing that a university that allows older students to bring their personal cars to a college town is strictly liable for all traffic accidents caused by student cars.

And it's not that gun accidents are likely, it's that insurers are absolutely unscrupulous about using any de novo excuse to jack up rates, justified or not. This heads that off.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 05:38 AM
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4. Heads it off by
taking away rights. Let the courts and a jury of peers decide. Exemptions are unAmerican. Might as well take away our guns while you are at it, wouldn't want any unscrupulous crooks using a handgun.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:18 AM
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5. An organization should only be liable for that which it can control.
If the law removes the college's ability to control guns, then the college should not be responsible for them. In current reality, a college can have a gun ban but since they don't take real steps to enforce the ban then they should be liable for damages caused by someone with a gun.

You are just trying to find an excuse to ban guns on campus. But such bans don't work, they only disarm those who obey such signs.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:14 AM
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8. How does it take away rights?
If the law were to forbid colleges and universities from barring students from carrying firearms, how could you hold the college or university responsible for lawful firearm possession on campus anyway?
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:51 AM
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9. What a great idea!
Let's insist that a jury of peers be used to resolve every dispute.

That way large corporations that can afford to continually sue individuals, can keep them tied up in the courts for years until they are bankrupt and have to accept a paltry settlement.

That's the American Way, right? Well, at least according to your blurred vision.

Or does that particular "American Way" only apply to anything firearm related? But then again it didn't work so well for gun control with Heller and McDonald.

Stop reaching so desperately, you're wrong and it's getting embarrassing.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:21 AM
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6. I wrote a letter to my state rep & state senator supporting this.
I also asked that he introduce and/or support legislation protecting employees who have gun in their cars and to legalize open-carry.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:12 AM
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7. I support this bill.
If you are an adult who is legally able to carry firearms off of a college campus, there is absolutely nothing special about college property that would make it so that you could not also carry there, too.

As a working adult, I have relied on night school for most of my college education, as do many working adults. It would be nice to be able to have the choice to carry a firearm on campus.
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