4oz of shaving cream on a plane is a hazard, but a gun on the train is OK!

[MindPilot]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Passengers will soon be allowed to bring guns aboard some Amtrak trains, including California routes.

The Sacramento Bee says gun rights advocates pushed for an order by Congress to reverse a near decade-long gun ban on Amtrak trains.

Beginning Dec. 15, guns can be brought aboard trains that have checked baggage service. Gun owners must inform Amtrak officials 24 hours ahead of departure and unloaded firearms must be packed in hard-sided containers for storage in train lockers.

Cars are being retrofitted with weapons storage lockers.



http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/30/passengers-allowed-guns-on-amtrak-trains/


I can't even think of a good witty comment to lunacy at this level.

[tammywammy]

1. Actually a gun can be carried the same way on a plane too

Unloaded and in the cargo hold, and for a plane there's no informing the airline 24 hrs ahead of time. :shrug:

[Lance_Boyle]

3. I love the smell of burnt hysteria in the first reply!

:applause:

[tammywammy]

6. What hysteria?

Pointing out that guns are routinely transported in the cargo of planes isn't hysterical.

[TheWraith]

18. I think Lance was describing the hysteria of the OP, which you torched. nt

[tammywammy]

21. Ahh, that makes sense!

That's what I get for reading too fast. :)

[MindPilot]

8. Yeah after reading that story from a couple other sources...

it became clear that the rules for trains were and in fact still are tighter than planes.

The first story made it sound as if the lockers were being added in the passenger cars.

But no worries, I'm sure the NRA will demand open carry on all public ground transportation. You know, for safety.

[petronius]

11. In a jurisdiction where open carry is legal, wouldn't that already apply to local

public transportation (buses or whatever)? And I'm sure people with concealed-carry licenses ride public transport all the time...

[spin]

37. You should be able to carry a concealed weapon on a bus in Florida ...

with a concealed weapons permit.

Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

o any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
o any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
o any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
o any courtroom*
o any polling place
o any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
o any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
o any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
o any school administration building
o any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
o any elementary or secondary school facility
o any area technical center
o any college or university facility*
o inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
o any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney nor do I play one on DU.

[X_Digger]

14. It is interesting to compare coverage..

Compare this usa today article - http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/11/passengers-can-bring-guns-on-amtrak-starting-in-december/1?loc=interstitialskip

to

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/30/3220359/amtrak-to-let-passengers-bring.html

[PavePusher]

26. When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."

"Daniel Vice of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence countered that the rule change makes it easier for terrorists to bring weapons on trains with intent to do harm. He said his group and Amtrak police are pleased, however, to have won concessions requiring locked storage and 24-hour advance notice."

I wonder if Danny-boy can explain the mechanism of the danger he postulates. Somehow, I bet he'd turn into a sputtering fool... oops, too late.

Seems to me that bombs would be the important thing to be on the lookout for. But hey, why stop a good hissy-fit to be rational?

[TheWraith]

28. I'm hijacking this train and taking it to Cuba!

:D

Of course, it'll be lost on the Brady types that the rules they lobby for only piss off people who are willing to follow the law. If a "terrorist" (read: bogeyman) wanted to take a gun on a train, there's nothing stopping them, unless they expect that someone bent on mass murder is going to obey the 24 hour notice period.

Of course there is no major problem with people hijacking trains, nor anything of the kind, but that doesn't stop them from hassling law-abiding people, whether it's self defense or 4 ounces of shaving cream.

[PavePusher]

25. What would be wrong with legally armed people, openly or concealed? n/t

[Ken Burch]

2. We're gonna have train robbers again?

Oh great.

[Kennah]

17. Worse

They are gonna hijack the trains and take 'em to Cuba.

[Ken Burch]

19. That'll get damp.

:eyes:

[HockeyMom]

4. I got stopped for carrying on BAGLES at JFK

They have never seen a bagel in NYC????? What in the world do they think you can hide in a bagel? Or maybe security has just hungry????????

[one-eyed fat man]

20. By the way, how did your shopping trip go?

Ok, so I will TEST this myself

[Katya Mullethov]

31. Does BATFE&GH require a Coggins test as well now ?

You know , the one for HORSE SHIT .

[slackmaster]

5. That's not a valid comparison, MP. Guns aren't going to be allowed in passenger cabins on trains.

They'll have to be stashed unloaded, in checked baggage; just like they are on airplanes.

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. You big meanyhead! You brought verifiable facts into the discussion.

Do keep at it, eh?

[MindPilot]

10. Yep, I jumped the gun...

please see my reply number 8

:blush:

[X_Digger]

9. Just like on airplanes.. good.

Has this caused any kind of problem in the 20+ years it's been SOP on commercial air carriers?

[Euromutt]

27. Or prior to 9/11, when you could already do this on Amtrak?

Just thought I'd point out that little detail...

[PavePusher]

12. It's in the CHECKED BAGGAGE. The sky continues to not fall. Breathe....

"I can't even think of a good witty comment to lunacy at this level." Indeed. It appears you haven't thought this through.

Edit: Posted before reading entire thread. However, I have to ask, what would be wrong with passengers being legally armed?

[JVS]

13. I vaguely remember when these new rules were considered. IIRC it's not about carrying guns...

it's about transportation of firearms through different local and state jurisdictions, which can be difficult legally unless one bypasses the intermediate local and state governments by flying.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Guns don't kill people, shaving cream kills people.

[X_Digger]

16. Shaving cream on your vegetarian salad at olive garden, while breastfeeding your..

.. newly circumcised son with your pit bull leashed to your chair with your open carry holster on your other hip.

Sorry, couldn't think of any more 'epic'-ness to add ;)

[tammywammy]

22. while SMOKING!

;)

[X_Digger]

23. doh! Missed the easy one ;)

[benEzra]

24. I've legally transported a 9mm on a commercial airline flight before.

People do this every day on airplanes, although the media appears to be unable to do a 25-second Google search to find this out.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

Or just visit an airline's page...

http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/baggage/firearms.jsp

[spin]

29. The media doesn't understand modern technology such as Google ...

or they would know the difference between an assault rife and an assault weapon.

[cleanhippie]

30. .

[Atypical Liberal]

32. Any security measure on a train is a waste of time.

Any security measure on a train is a waste of time.

Why bother trying to bring tools of mayhem on board a train? There is no need. The path and timing of trains is all very well known. Tracks can easily be sabotaged or IEDs detonated under or along side at any place of choosing without any interference from any security procedures.

Worrying about a gun on a train is ridiculous.

As an aside, this is how we know the idea to put these backscatter x-ray devices in train stations is more about lucrative government contracts than anything else.

[one-eyed fat man]

33. The British used a very effective tactic.

During the Second Boer War, they placed a railcar full of Boer women and children in front of the locomotive. The incidence of sabotage or destruction of rails and bombing of trains was dramatically reduced.

Rule .303

[ManiacJoe]

34. Human shields tend to be frowned upon.

[one-eyed fat man]

35. I did not say

it wasn't against the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor was it specifically addressed in either the Hague Convention of 1899 or Hague Convention of 1907

I just pointed out that it worked. Just like it had for the Mongols 700 years ago and still does for Hamas gunmen in the Gaza Strip as well as the Taliban in Afghanistan.

[SteveM]

39. Yikes! "Chicks up front!"

[Francis Marion]

36. It's much worse than that

Not only can passengers arrange to have firearms locked up in baggage:

They can also sit wherever they like. Personally, I'd like to see the Second Amendment offenders forced to sit in the back of the car, if they must ride.

The worst part? They can bring books, newspapers and magazines on with them; perhaps even NRA literature, or Shotgun News. Dangerous reading materials with no legitimate literary purpose.

And- the ba$tards! they can even speak freely to the other passengers. What's next? Might get uppity and say, 'I support the entire Bill of Rights.'

What Amtrak really needs to do is intrusively search people they choose to profile as gun owners prior to boarding.

Obviously, Amtrak trains are no place for the Bill of Rights, no place for gun owners.
We just should not have to ride with those people.

[DeadEyeDyck]

38. I have checked my Sig in as baggage.

You shoudl call the airline first and get the requirements. Delta has them on their web site.

[SteveM]

40. So? "...in train lockers" = checked-in for a plane. Yawn. nt