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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:34 PM Original message |
If the assault weapon ban was still in place.... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. its not guns that kill people, its gun owners nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. No, it's the parents who gave birth to the gun owners. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. I would like to see someone kill more than one person with a knife... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. 8 people stabbed |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
151. Yes there are always exceptions to the rule |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #151 |
191. It answered your challenge |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Actually, multiple people are routinely killed with knives. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
152. Did you read them and find out that there aren't the same |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. Do machetes count? I hear they're popular in some African countries. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. 7 are dead, 10 are injured in stabbing spree |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
136. Would you bring a knife to a gunfight? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #136 |
145. No, I carry the most effective tool for defending myself. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #136 |
192. Wrong question |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
104. 500 killed by knives in a mass violence event in nigeria |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
148. Were they killed in secondes by one person? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. So speed-killings are what you are worried about? I thought it was the number. |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:56 AM Response to Reply #157 |
187. tex is just attempting to reframe the discussion rather than admitting he is wrong. NT |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #148 |
193. Who cares how many seconds it takes? |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
105. it seems only the largest mass knifings in china are reported, one had 28 victims |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
111. MAN WITH SWORD KILLS 2 AND WOUNDS 9 |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
130. "...more than one person with a knife..." |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
135. If guns don't kill, what are they made to do? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Killing isn't always evil. N/T |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #140 |
182. Without a doubt, but guns still kill people. nt |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #135 |
144. Allow me to defeat your argument... |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #144 |
153. Hammers have other uses |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Feel free to chime in here.. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. So, what is your point about the purpose? Please explain. nt |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #153 |
180. No, hammers have one use. |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:58 AM Response to Reply #153 |
188. Hammer murders anyone? |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #144 |
183. And you're substantially wrong. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #183 |
209. Both items pass energy. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
158. Beyond target practice, most are designed to kill. So, what is your point? nt |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #158 |
185. So, would you then say, guns don't kill people, people kill people? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #185 |
194. My gun has never killed anyone. NT |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. That's not the question, and you know it. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. You've never had to kill anyone with a gun, |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #200 |
205. The "function" of my guns |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #185 |
204. Im still trying to get this argument |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Second Amendment is very clear that 10 rounds aren't enough nt |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
137. Not when you have Indians to kill. nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #137 |
161. Indians were well-armed with guns, from colonial times up. nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
160. Sure sign of complete defeat: making stuff up. nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. I bought a half dozen >10 rnd magazines durring the "scary black rifle" ban. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. This guy wouldn't have had access to one, would he? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Why wouldn't he have? They were always available... (nt) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Why wouldn't he. They were available in every gunshop in america. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Then the law wasn't enforced |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. It was legal to sell existing stocks. nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. They would have been gone by now. nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Not likely. Gunshops even during the ban routinely bought and sold used full cap mags. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Then they should have been banned completely. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Probably the same thing as when cocaine and pot were banned completely. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
87. You are comparing drugs to guns and that doesn't work |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. In certain ways, the comparison is apt. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. But that is from those that want a ban |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #106 |
162. Do you support continued drug prohibition? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
128. On the contrary, it's pretty simple. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. What "would" have happened then? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
81. The 1994 elections times ten. (n/t) |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. .. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. No, I'll keep mine, thanks. If I wanted pre-1870's magazine capacity, I'd buy a Spencer. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #101 |
123. Or a Henry. n/t |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #123 |
141. Some of the Henrys exceeded the Brady's cherished 10-round max cap |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
122. Note I specified a week to make an AK |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
82. The AWB didn't do that... which is what the OP was about. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Seems like they should offer compensation, yes. nt |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
133. Revolution |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
113. "They would have been gone by now. nt" |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
189. Grasping at straws again, eh? NT |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. The law was enforced. It didn't make sales of full capacity magazines illegal. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. So you're claiming a law with no teeth had no effect on crime statistics. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
76. You misunderstand the law. Magazines were NOT banned; |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. You sure didn't buy it for hunting. /nt |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
77. What does hunting have to do with anything? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
84. I have never hunted a single day in my life. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
163. So? nt |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm sorry but you're wrong. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. No, you're wrong. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. No, he wasn't. He was subdued while attempting to flee, according to eyewitnesses. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. I just know you have a link to that "fleeing" bit. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Here you go, from someone who was actually there. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Contradicted by many other sources saying he stayed and attempted to reload. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. I provided the eyewitness account of someone who was there. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
74. By your own account he did reload |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
142. According you you, his gun jammed. |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. something doesn't add up |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Because he was captured while attempting to flee, not while reloading. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Three times, no link. Maybe if you post it once more without a link, it will be true. |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
119. source? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. One report I read.. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Yep. Thats thats I read and was thinking as well. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. There was no law that prohibited selling "full capacity magazines". None. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. it's not a violation of the law to sell them IF they're pre-ban mags. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Indications are that the spring in the magazine broke- which caused a jam. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
126. I love this. 'No, you're wrong' *spews inaccuracies* |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. Here they come again |
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Brilliantrocket (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. So just because someone dies... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The Right uses tragedy to weaken our Fourth Amendment rights, |
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Brilliantrocket (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. It's a problem with most people, they're too reactive |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
127. Exactly. It's disgusting. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
164. And everyone jumps on the Fifth, right out of the chute. nt |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. And the only purpose for semi automatic weapons > 10 rounds is to kill people. /nt |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
80. How do you square that with the fact that 30-round rifles are among the least misused of all guns? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
165. Are you asking? |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Who needs more than 10 rounds to protect one self from a home invasion |
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Brilliantrocket (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I would argue yes |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
99. Cops generally land less than one hit in twelve under combat conditions. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
109. "Who needs more than 10 rounds to protect one self from a home invasion" |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
120. Why the fixation on 10? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #120 |
167. They gots to have a victory. Maybe they think 10 rounds is political majic. nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
166. You still out there killing deer? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
196. Uh, potentially anybody? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. A reload takes about a second. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. This guy was subdued during his first reload |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. According to eyewitnesses, he was grabbed when he attempted to flee, not while reloading. nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Link, please. nt |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. That link that you yourself posted upthread indicates that you're both wrong: |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. He probably didn't completely insert the magazine |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I thought the sheriff said that the magazine spring failed (nt) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. How would you know? Have you ever handled one? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Of course it "can" jam. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. I thought you just said they can't jam. So now they can jam. As in his weapon could have jammed. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Wow, it took him less than an hour to contradict himself! |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
170. Yeah, his is typical "bull in the ring" stuff. nt |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
107. Its not that exceedingly rare... |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
108. If "intractability is not a logical virtue" prove it by retracting |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
169. I'm glad to see you retracted your "jammin'" statement. That's a good start. nt |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
124. Glock Fanboys |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #124 |
139. Sounds about right. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
146. do yourself a favor aned google "Glock kaboom" |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
168. So, you are saying Glocks don't jam? Really? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
178. Newsflash: ANY gun using a magazine can jam. Some more than others |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
206. glocks dont jam |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
100. One incident is not indicative of a trend. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. During which the tacklers would have hit the kid and half the people would have died. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
102. Were people standing within 'tackling distance' before his gun jammed? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
171. Gotcher culture war on again. I can tell by your losing statement. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh good grief. |
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sunshine69 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. You realize that the congresswoman used assault weapons |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
143. Bad photo-op. She is holding the rifle wrong. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. There is only one reason buy assult weapons, it is to kill people. It sure isn't used for hunting. |
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Brilliantrocket (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. It may be so... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. There is no requirement that people demonstrate they know how to use weapons properly or safety |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. Actually, "assault weapons" are among the most popular hunting rifles in the country. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
75. Deleted message |
benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
94. Wrong. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
103. Only one in five gun owners hunt. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
116. Depends on the definition |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
172. Correction... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
207. im sure the millions who own them |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
210. Actually they have been a very good investment. ... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yep, no way the first 10rds had any bearing. |
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kpominville (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Thats an important point |
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Last_Stand (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
46. How do you know that that poor child was hit with bullet #4 or bullet #20? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
121. Oh it might accomplish one thing... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
173. Agreed. One of the many problems with the so-called... |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
48. The Glock 9 used in this shooting normally has a 15 round clip and |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Cops use full capacity mags because it increases survival rates when engaging multiple suspects. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. This particular full capacity mag didn't increase survival rates, did it? nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Seatbelts don't always save lives either. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Seatbelts don't kill, either. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. actually they can |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
98. So, are you going to bring a seat belt to the next gun fight, or use it |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. No I will use a gun even though I know it isn't 100% effective. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
176. "Sounds ridiculous"? No need to match. You do that on auto-induced pilot. nt |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #61 |
147. yes they do. My uncle for one. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
175. Sooo, the killer was a cop? Do you have a link? nt |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. what are "those" guns |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
89. Really, no distinction? You sounded like you know about guns, but |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. You sounded like you're wanting a ban on all double-stack 9mm pistols... |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
115. no there is a distinction |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #115 |
211. There are only 2 Glock 18 in the country. n/t |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
129. You have the balls to ask |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. +1 |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #129 |
149. Well techniclly Glock DOES offer an auto pistol. The 33 IIRC |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
177. Oh, maybe he was just be sarcastic. Again. And again. And... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
208. all small glocks |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Deleted message |
texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
86. Yes, I meant the Glock 19 |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. If he'd used several guns with 10 round capacity (AKA "New York Reload"), that would be okay? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
174. If you don't like the extended magazines (clips?), explain why you want to ban them. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
186. It was a Glock 19 |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
49. Not so much..but it's a nice dream. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
132. Form 4473, Question 11(e) |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #132 |
150. That question is in the present tense, mind you |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #150 |
155. Valid points, however.... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #155 |
195. Part of the problem is that mental health care has progressed, while the law hasn't |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #195 |
197. I agree, mostly. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
58. On the other hand, if he couldn't have gotten the big magazine maybe he would |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. or maybe he would have brought a molotov cocktail? nt |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Yep. Or driven a big SUV through the crowd and then fired one shot apiece |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. 30-round magazines were JUST as legal and available then as now, they just cost more. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
78. So he would've had to swap mags... which takes all of 2 seconds. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
83. Bullshit....nt |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. Concise and to the point! Thank you sir. n/t |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #110 |
138. "Just because there is pepper in the soup doesn't mean there's pepper in the cook." |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
114. Why is it people think that if guns were banned, the crazies wouldn't find some other |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #114 |
184. Exactly |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
117. +100 |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #117 |
131. All the assault weapons ban did was to increase the sale of these weapons and ... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
118. Gays are deemed unworthy for the military. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
125. Good to see you are 'up' on the history of this subject. He would have paid 60 bucks and done it any |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
179. UnRecced for prideful ignorance. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
190. FWIW: The Columbine school shooter used hi-cap mags during the so called Assault Weapons Ban |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
198. Does anyone know if he had a barrel shroud on his weapon? nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. That thing that goes up? I think not.. n/t |
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201. AWB banned nothing for the most part.... |
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203. Colin Ferguson ... |
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