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Jeneral2885
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:44 PM Original message |
What is the use for the right to bear arms? |
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
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Zoeisright
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. There is no use for it. |
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chimpymustgo
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Especially if you're not a member of "a well regulated militia" |
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Francis Marion
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Wed Jan-12-11 02:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
95. To whom does THE RIGHT pertain? |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Please repost this in the town square... |
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TransitJohn
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, considering that the Framers were against the Federal Gov't having standing military |
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kestrel91316
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yep, and civil defense today = NATIONAL GUARD and POLICE, |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. We also have the Unorganized Militia as a backup in case NG and police are overwhelmed |
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Xenotime
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Where in the constitution is that? |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. The Unorganized Militias are defined in the United States Code and state laws |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. That's the well-regulated militia |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. And those people are "regulated" how? |
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. They aren't, at least not in the governmental sense. |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. That poorly written article dodges the point. |
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jeepnstein
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #71 |
102. No it doesn't. |
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DissedByBush
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
105. Read #90 n/t |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-11-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. "Regulated" did not mean controlled by the government |
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oneshooter
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
86. Full auto weapons are legal to own, but are VERY expensive to buy..... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
93. It might have been simply to control their slaves since the framers were often slave owners. |
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jeepnstein
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Jim Crow laws. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Guns at home are acceptable, but society does not benefit from armed folks walking around in public. |
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jeepnstein
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Concealed means concealed. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. I can tell you from personal experience, that folks who are obsessed with guns often have a problem. |
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jeepnstein
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I believe you are wrong. |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Define "obsessed" ... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Depends on what kind of weapons you have, why, and/or whether you can walk out the door without one. |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. I am a "wheel gunner" ... |
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guitar man
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Thu Jan-13-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. I walked out the door without one |
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DonP
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Of course you are! |
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kestrel91316
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:48 PM Original message |
The RW only wants them for killing brown people, political opposition, and elected leaders. |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. That's a pretty vile accusation, and mostly untrue. |
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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Pancho Sanza
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Rep. Giffords is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment...does that make her a RWer |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. Huh, guess I missed a DUzzy, eh? n/t |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. We've already had (and banned) a poster who was the Fred Phelps of Firearms here. |
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oneshooter
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
87. You are confusing the Police of the Communist Chinese with the Police of America. n/t |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
120. Not defending the right wing, but that statement is an example of what is wrong ... |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. Personal self-defense, defense of home and family, defense of community |
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Old Codger
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. You are correct |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
94. In my community, I don't want some person obsessed with guns playing judge, jury and executioner. |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
119. I have a concealed weapons permit but I am not a cop ... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. If I am that "innocent person," please allow me or the police to handle it. You aren't trained to. |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Don't expect me to step between you and someone else while you are fighting ... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. That cowboy -- save your life -- mentality is why guns need to be restricted in public. |
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X_Digger
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Wed Jan-12-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. We can't have people saving themselves.. oh no.. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. That's the police. You are not, and should not walk armed into public thinking you'll save the day. |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. You have a great imagination ... |
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X_Digger
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Wed Jan-12-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Lighten up, Francis -- (Full Metal Jacket) |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Why do you feel that saving a person life is being a cowboy?... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-12-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. We aren't talking about pulling someone out who is drowning, we are talking pulling a gun in a crowd |
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spin
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Thu Jan-13-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Well, if I knew it was you ... |
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Hoyt
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Thu Jan-13-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Let's be clear, I'd appreciate any help you can give as long as it doesn't involve shooting someone. |
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Thu Jan-13-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #122 |
146. Most cops shoot their weapons once a year |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-12-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
129. I think you have a distorted idea about the use of deadly force for self-defense |
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The Straight Story
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. The second Amendment is there so we can protect the First |
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Xenotime
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Ah...ok?!?! |
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Cleita
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think the Second amendment was intended for |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Check your calender, honey... |
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Cleita
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Your's was the least rude of my replies, so I will |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. You're a really bad shot |
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Cleita
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. The sight is the problem. I don't see well enough to |
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badtoworse
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
101. You have those responsibilities regardless of what is required to purchase the weapon |
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Cleita
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
118. So you just made my argument. |
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jwirr
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. You forgot the land on your ass in the dirt from the kick back. I am |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Jan-11-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Just what were you shooting? NT |
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spin
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Wed Jan-12-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
124. Let me give you some advice on learning how to shoot ... |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. It also speaks of "the right of the people". |
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Pancho Sanza
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Welcome back, Madam Van Winkle! |
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MikeW
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Tue Jan-11-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
75. then you need to go re-read it again, it speaks to individuals |
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Cleita
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Tue Jan-11-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Why me alone? Some law makers think the same thing. |
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MikeW
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. thats because they have agendas and only are interested in pandering to their constituents views |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-12-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
96. Perhaps you missed Heller vs. DC and McDonald vs Chicago |
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Last_Stand
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. Some of us... |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. And you think that with the arms you can legally purchase |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. You're right. |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. 3 guys with shotguns in a Durango hardly constitute an insurgent force. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Well, the most powerful army in the world has been kicking around the middle east for a decade now |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. Caves are one thing. |
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Pancho Sanza
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. That obviously explains how the ragtag Afghanis defeated the Soviet Union |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. The Afghanis were using US made automatic weapons, explosives, RPGs, etc. |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. If the Second American Civil War ever kicks off (Ghu forbid).... |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. And when are you predicting that will be? n/t |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Hopefully on the far side of never. |
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Euromutt
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Wed Jan-12-11 05:42 AM Response to Reply #61 |
98. Not US-made, just US-funded |
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Flyboy_451
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Actually....yes |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. You just made my point from #62, |
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Flyboy_451
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. i do not completly disagree with you... |
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one-eyed fat man
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
82. Question 46, again................ |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. And there you go, "they" will not be coming for us, |
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one-eyed fat man
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Tue Jan-11-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. The last time around, it was quite problematic |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. If we remember the Civil War, perhaps we will not be doomed to repeat it. |
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Wed Jan-12-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
131. Unfortunately, yes. |
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table1
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Tue Jan-11-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. omg |
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Flyboy_451
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Tue Jan-11-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. since there is no sarcasm tag... |
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table1
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Wed Jan-12-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
139. no sarcasm intended |
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Flyboy_451
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Thu Jan-13-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. all it takes is money... |
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Last_Stand
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Did I say that I believed that anywhere in my reply? |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. You specifically referenced police and military forces, |
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Last_Stand
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I'm afraid you're wrong... |
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darkstar3
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Tue Jan-11-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You are now backpedaling |
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jwirr
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
53. Yes, with everyone talking collapse my family considers the gun |
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NightWatcher
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Tank tops? |
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jeepnstein
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
104. Those should be licensed. |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
14. It was a political statement, at the time |
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Upton
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. I live out in the country.. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. Nowdays... generally sport or individual and home protection. |
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Mark Maker
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Tue Jan-11-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. Than what is the use of the police in America? |
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. LOL, but even then, the cop isn't required to protect you. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. I don't know... if a cop is ON your back, I think you'd be considered to be in custody. |
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Edweird
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. I was thinking cop-in-a-snugli. If you were face down with the cop's knee on your neck, |
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm sure a lot of the reasons the pro-gun folk are giving can be found on NRA.org |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. And I'm sure the GOP is in agreement that 2+2 does, in fact, equal 4... |
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sadbear
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I think you just made it |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. So we are in agreement that facts are acceptable facts, despite whose in agreement? |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. So refute them, if you can. |
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GreenStormCloud
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. The police arrive after the crime to draw the chalk outlines. |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Like a gun-banning mayor... n/t |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Here's a good analogy: |
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Pancho Sanza
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. Police in the U.S.A. have neither the ability nor legal obligation to "protect" citizens. |
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one-eyed fat man
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Make reports; call someone to clean up the mess. |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
42. Would that deter burglars? |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
43. Actually, the US courts have held that the police have no duty to protect you. |
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RoccoR5955
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Tue Jan-11-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. So if the 2nd Amendment gives me the right to bear arms... |
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. It would be technologically the same as a Glock is compared to the weapons of the 18th century. |
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RoccoR5955
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Tue Jan-11-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
81. Just checking for trolls |
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bossy22
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. not necessarily |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Tue Jan-11-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. No, too indiscriminate and the Feds own all weapons grade plutonium. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
85. The line between civilian and military arms was drawn clearly in 1934 |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-12-11 03:10 AM Response to Reply #47 |
97. You are confused about the meaning of Arms vs Ordnance. |
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benEzra
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Tue Jan-11-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. What country do you reside in, out of curiousity? |
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Xela
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Wed Jan-12-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #73 |
110. Yeah. I second that. Curious minds would like to know. |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Tue Jan-11-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
77. In a legal sense, the use is any purpose the owner sees fit. |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jan-11-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. In a historical sense, 'the people' didn't include felons.. why? |
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #77 |
92. All rights can be infringed with due process. |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Wed Jan-12-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. Thanks for this. |
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Statistical
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Wed Jan-12-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #108 |
138. The reason is that prior to Heller SCOTUS hadn't ruled that the 2A protected an individual right. |
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Jeneral2885
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Wed Jan-12-11 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
99. I still dont see and answer |
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Xela
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Wed Jan-12-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Citizens in other countries have a high price to pay... |
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. what price |
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Like I said, the price is Liberty |
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Wed Jan-12-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
128. I rather not |
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Wed Jan-12-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. As it has been already stated and made clear.... |
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Fri Jan-14-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #130 |
147. So again why is there a police? |
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Fri Jan-14-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Deterrence, social control, traffic control, law enforcement, and general public service |
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Wed Jan-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #99 |
113. Our Bill of Rights has a preamble that explains its purpose. Many people haven't read it. |
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
100. It seems to me that ALL the amendments are intended |
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Wed Jan-12-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. The 2nd is a statement of trust. |
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Atypical Liberal
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Wed Jan-12-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
127. Please see my post here |
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Thu Jan-13-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
144. Civil unrest and natural disasters come to mind. |
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