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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:30 PM Original message |
Honestly!! ... Should people be allowed to own stuff like this? |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Personally, I don't have a need for any of it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. No. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. You should do some research into Lewis and Clark, then |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. "in the wilderness" exactly. Much of this country at the time was wilderness and |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
123. but the guns they carried |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #123 |
131. "They knew what they were doing." Exactly. They knew what THEY were doing. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #131 |
140. UK has higher violent crime rate than the US. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. Doyou have a reliable stat on that? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #131 |
151. That may well be true. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Being vigilant about one's freedom does not necessarily mean being armed. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. That is true. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. Well, the analogy doesn't hold up very well if you are talking about our own |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. What makes you think the military will just go along. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. I am sure there would be some organized resistance in such a circumstance. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Not that I am aware. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. I am commenting on the undesireability of the proliferation of guns and not talking about banning. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. What do you suggest? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #171 |
179. good question, isn't it. No fair throwing up hands...what do you suggest? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. I asked you first. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. well, you have advanced arguments that are yours, not mine. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. You should listen to Christina Green's father ('that murdered kid's parent') |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. "risky ground" |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Well, that is an unacceptable argument, IMO. We MUST find a way to live in a free society without |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Where we get those ideas. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. Yes, cave people did fear for their safety. We can all agree on that. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #194 |
225. I don't fear getting slaughtered. Why do you? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #225 |
232. I think we have seen the evidence... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. It really has not. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Saturday's incident and many others like it are not a result of the drug war. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Saturdays' incident is extremely rare, too. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. At this point, no, not unless you have metal detectors in the places where these events occur. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. I think it holds up even more so. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. In that case there would be instability if not anarchy. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Absolutely. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #153 |
203. I don;t think the citizenry would have to fight US soldiers |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #203 |
236. I know it is your belief that gun reverence is the reason but I can think of many other |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #153 |
252. ........Vietnam, Algeria, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan.... Among others. Fancy that. nt |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #252 |
257. Ah yes, they've been mentioned before. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
251. Actually, guns were used for the most part to take game for food. nt |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
150. Wilderness was not their primary concern. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. We are at a far, far place from that reality in the 18th century. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. If a majority of Americans believed what you believe then the 2nd would be repealed. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Oh it's not inconvenient to me. Perhaps to the people who just got killed or wounded, but not me. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. No there is no evidence that banning guns lowers crime. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. Firstly, I am not talking about "banning." I'm talking about public safety issues. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Unproven claim. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Well, if European countries have lower rates of homicide than we do |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #155 |
176. But the same rationale still holds. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #176 |
182. Um, wasn't the AZ event open to armed people? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Thankfully, it was. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Well, hello! The shooter had already been subdued! Hooray! |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #185 |
192. 31 shots fired. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. "no votes." Of course. That is what I expected as this debate has degenerated further. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Well we will just have to agree to disagree. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. I don't care what the "trend" is. The trend has been wrong in the past and has been corrected. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. You have never been safer |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #201 |
204. I'd like to see some backup information about this "decline" in violence. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. The data comes from the DOJ and the FBI. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. not the one questioned but I can help here |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #206 |
210. Thanks! I was wondering if any of this has been the subject of a sociological study. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. Doubtless due to many factors. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. Wouldn't we really be interested in seeing the data of # of assaults/murder using |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. That's also available at the FBI.. usually table 20 or so under homicides.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. but not just homicides. Wouldn't it be relevant to include robberies, muggings, |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. That's why I added the link to the BJS.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #224 |
231. What was the cause of the spike for 1995? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #231 |
233. Actually, 1993-1994 was the peak of violent crime, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. What do you think it was in both cases? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. If you read 'Freakanomics', they suggest Roe v Wade for the latter |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #224 |
239. The chart shows the bar spiking in 1995, falling and then rising again in 2006. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. Let me draw you some lines.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. OK, the link does not break down offenses by type of weapon used. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #242 |
243. Yes, the second one does.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. It's hard to see this without a side by side comparison... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. That's correct.. both in raw numbers (with slight variability year to year) and .. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. So it is consistent with the trend going down overall... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. You're the one who asked.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. Yes, and since I posted that both other posters and I recalled a number of |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #248 |
249. And that decline in violent crime coupled with.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #249 |
256. Well, we shall see. I await further numbers, as should you, as a precaution. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #256 |
258. 17 years isn't enough data? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #258 |
259. This is why I would like to see some interpretation beyond what we have already |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #259 |
264. Go to the primary sources, yourself (DOJ/FBI/CDC data).. find studies... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. Are you saying that there are no sociological studies in which peer review |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. You'd think so, but look up confirmation bias.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. You seem to say that the NEJM is negligent in its duty to fairly present material |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #267 |
268. I think it fair to say that the NEJM had a fairly evident bias against guns in the 90's |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #268 |
269. Well, epidemiologists are in schools of Public Health...we have one here at Yale. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. If it were studied as a behavioral issue, that would make sense.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Honestly, you do your side NO favor by showing the Tooth Fairy thing! It suggests |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #271 |
272. Perhaps you missed my point.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #272 |
273. again, I am not a sociologist but I don't think these studies are treated strictly as a |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #273 |
274. Not at all, you made my point for me.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. I'll be happy to take a look and try to understand what you mean here. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #277 |
278. You did not cite where those quotes were from... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #278 |
279. Those quotes were mine, from the previous posts.. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #279 |
280. I have not read the Kellerman piece that you constantly refer to... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #220 |
234. Down, significantly - it's in the UCR link. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Now that the data has been provided, do you agree that voilent crime is at its lowest and declining? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. See my earlier answer. I am looking for an explanation from social scientists |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. Then we are in agreement! Horray! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. I haven't had a chance to look at all the data. Are assaults/murders |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. It is broken down in several ways. Its actually quite good data. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #199 |
253. You speak of "the collapse of our society." In that vein... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
207. Where do you think Lewis kept that rifle when he wasn't in the wilderness? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. Of course. Guns were useful items, providing food. I have no idea where his home was, do you? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. He lived in many places. I would assume he had it with him in St. Louis. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Well, I might not be understanding the point you had about him keeping his gun at home. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. I would argue he didn't own it for hunting. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #223 |
276. A soldier, in an army? would he then have a gun "issued" to him? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. do you think they envisioned the massacre from Saturday - to include a U.S. Congresswoman? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Lewis and Clark, the two deadliest machine gun toting dudes to ever go West. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Behold, the Girandoni Air Rifle! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
114. And they traded grenades for horses too! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Please elucidate.. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Please hallucinate . . |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. At least your screen name matches your comment. |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
139. Do you EVER have a nice thing to say about others? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. All the time. |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Attacking his screen name means you are attacking him |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. SO you accuse me of a personal attack by personally attacking me? WTF? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #122 |
130. So you concede that Lewis & Clark carried a semi-automatic rifle? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
186. No, because they didn't. Not even in your wildest dreams. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. Do you contend that they didn't in fact carry a Girandoni? n/t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #189 |
209. Hey, look! Facts won out again! |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #209 |
229. With till he finds out that they had an ND with it |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Ummm....OK |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #114 |
152. Maybe they did! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #152 |
190. That was a joke, sir. Lewis and Clark almost starved to death in Idaho. The natives here saved them. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. If you're such a scholar.. whip out your Journals of Lewis and Clark.. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #193 |
202. Hahahahaha. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #193 |
217. Obviously, The NRA used a time machine to go back and edit those journals. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #217 |
255. HA! nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
254. Nah! That's why some use "assault weapons:" you can fit ANY weapon in... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. Psst, hate to burst your grr with facts.. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
230. Sorry |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Our fore fathers understood clearly what "well regulated" meant. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
79. "Seemingly, "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" always seems to be missed... |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
119. Seems like I've heard that line of reasoning before |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
250. Corrections to your post... |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. When nature cheats ya....... |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's the only reason I can think of |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Only if they really want it, can afford it, and can pass all the federal background checks |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. There you go again, addressing reality. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. I want my guns!! |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, civilians should be able to own them. |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The opinion of the SCOTUS? |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. We pine for *your* "expert" opinion ...... n/t |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I'm sure you do |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Citizens United? |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You think they got that one right? |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Yes I do |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Do you think they got Citizens United right? |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. To me that one is a toss up. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
103. The ACLU does. Do you think they got Kelo v. City of New London right? |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Yeah, they probably got that right. |
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Pancho Sanza (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
73. Did they get Lawrence vs. Texas terribly wrong too? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
81. Kelo. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
102. The prohibitionists are unwilling to discuss Kelo v. City of New London. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. +1 |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. you could say the same thing about rocket launchers, poisons, and any number of lethal |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. What inanimate object causes more deaths per year |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Would you argue intent? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. So, it's O.K. to have things kill due to inattention and irresponsibility.... |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
110. Because you say so? |
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Marengo (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
133. Intent is irrelevant |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. automobiles are at least as highly regulated as are guns if not moreso |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Actually, in almost all jurisdictions you can own and operate vehicles |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. No, they really aren't. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Can you explain the need for a 30 round clip? |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Same as the need for anyone to own a Corvette ..... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. So you are tequating the need to fire more rounds to owning |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. What is "need?" |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The speed limit no greater than 75 mph |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. I'll answer that with a question |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
71. Silencers have been illegal since 1938. The SCOTUS doesn't agree with you. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. They're not illegal.. highly regulated. n/t |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
97. No, they really haven't. |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why would anyone put a suppressor on a single shot .22? |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. That's a Ruger Mk3 (w/ 10rd clip) n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Looks like a Mrk II Bull Barrel to me |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. and it's a magazine, not a clip |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
178. It's a 22/45 Mk. III |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Yeah, that's pretty funny! |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
228. Suppressors are safety devices. They protect your hearing. |
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Ryano42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. The M1911-A1 |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. So you oppose handugns with double stack magazine? |
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Ryano42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. I think high-caps have a place... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. If what has been released is correct, his high capacity mag failed, jamming the weapon |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Personally, I find them heavy. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Ahh, it's the "My guns aren't bad, it's all yours that are evil" syndrome. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
83. Would you like to apply the 14th Amendment to that... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
126. "We treat car ownership and driver training with greater respect than firearm ownership" |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
149. car ownership? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
197. On car ownership. |
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joe_sixpack (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. Another yes here. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes, they should |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Giving up liberty? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Yup. |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Geez.... |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. You have liberty in that no one can force you to buy that which you so abhor. n/t |
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Pancho Sanza (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. That is the exact same argument the teabaggers make about health care. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Not getting your point... |
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Pancho Sanza (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
99. Actually, neither am I, now. Apparently I lost track of who said what in the thread |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
87. Supressors don't make a firearm silent- that's a hollywood trope. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. The Glock is pretty quiet with the right ammo... but the .45 is still quite a thumper. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
109. That's a strawman. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
127. only 3 a second? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. Yes, they should. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
21. well, they certainly aren't needed for hunting anything but man... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
84. No-one's ever had to defend themselves against dozens? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
91. I've never had to hunt any person nor had the desire to... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
22. i think a lot of people who buy it do so because it makes them feel Tough , "manly" etc |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
65. Most of the ones I see getting into it are doing it for self defense |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. simply put -- no. nt |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yes. nm |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yes, why not? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
85. Why not? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Not if proper ear wear is worn. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I end up wearing plugs AND muffs at my indoor range. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. I'm in military aviation maintenance. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. We use double as well... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Exactly. n/t |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. no |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Some yes, some no |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Technically, you can have silencers... |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
90. not at all |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
88. Silencers are not illegal.. highly regulated, but legal. n/t |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. RPG's, rocket launchers. tanks |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Soooo.... If I am 65 years old, maybe recently had a hip replacement surgury... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
128. exactly |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
41. No. Rec'd. Surprise! Still at 0. Disgusted. n/t |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
42. LOLZ at the fear |
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Last_Stand (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Yeah, I don't get it... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
43. Yes. |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Don't care either way. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
50. Honestly or dishonestly, absolutely not! |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
129. the NRA... HA! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. For many, happiness is indeed a warm gun. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. Yes |
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Xela (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
77. Yes |
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roninjedi (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yes |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
80. YES |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
89. Yes |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Thanks. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I love the finish |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
98. Yes. N/t |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
104. Yes n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
105. Yes. n/t |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
107. You bet your ass they should |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
113. I want the silenced Ruger at the bottom |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
115. Did you notice that when you started this thread in the GD section at DU . . . |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. More rational replies? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Say yeth to meth! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:38 AM Response to Reply #115 |
125. Considering your posts #44 and the follow ups, your hypocrisy is astounding. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #115 |
132. I notice how this thread has devolved into a LOT of talk literally about |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #132 |
188. Amen, brother. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
117. I have no problem with any of it. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
134. Everything in the second photo is as tightly controlled as bombs, howitzers, and grenades. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Ever poke an ant hill or bees nest for sheer enjoyment? |
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Flyboy_451 (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. I know exactly what you mean... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. The only approriate response to that picture: |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Snort! LOL... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #135 |
262. Mission Accomplished. ;>) n/t |
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Crystal Clarity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
138. Yes. But w/a caveat... |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #138 |
227. I use extended magazines |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
261. Please submit your Question to the U.S. Department of Neccesity... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
141. Sure, why not? |
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kudzu22 (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
143. Absolutely |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. It's a Mac-11 (submachinegun) |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #144 |
226. Tricked out with |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
156. Yes. |
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needledriver (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
160. Yes. n/t |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
181. Yes. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
237. Arguments like this is why anti-gunners always lose. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
241. The Silencers, no. That auto big ass thing in the 2nd one no, long clips no. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #241 |
260. Why not suppressors? |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #241 |
263. no silencers? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
281. No, of course not |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
282. There's so many pop guns |
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