Range Owner: Seeing lots young people trying to see how fast mag change

[RamboLiberal]

In Indianapolis, Davis says his store's indoor shooting range has been busy in recent days.

"We're seeing a lot of young people coming into the range," he says. "Some of them are in there shooting and seeing how fast they can change clips."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-01-13-glock13_ST_N.htm

Just stood out. Now that is only one owner & probably no more than the morbid curiousity like we discuss here.

[onehandle]

1. Young people learning how to kill a lot of people.

America. Fuck Yeah!

[PavePusher]

18. Cite to evidence? Or are you merely...

casting out unfounded accusations, aspertions and innuendo?

[one-eyed fat man]

20. Here's more

Fort Jackson drill sergeants line up to fire from 300 meters Tuesday at Argentan Range during Asymmetric Warfare Group training. The course reinforces Basic Rifle Marksmanship skills and is intended to give drill sergeants tools they can bring back to training their Soldiers.

[lawodevolution]

35. too bad I can't post up pics of the 500 people who were chopped up by machetes in Nigeria

in march of 2010. Because of the gun ban in Nigeria the villagers did not have firearms to protect themselves while the men who came to kill them had AK47s and used them to make sure no one escaped while others went to chop them up with machetes. But people like you, onehandle, you think that nigerians are not worth even being in the debate because they aren't a rich white "developed" nation.

[itsrobert]

2. Reloading is basic weapons training

I wouldn't call it an "art" form. But you do have to have proper technique.

[RamboLiberal]

5. IMHO it wouldn't hurt for liberal journalists & politicians

Who are wringing their hands over the high caps to find some instructors & go to the range and see how fast someone can make a mag change. IMHO it the gun jamming not the changing extended mag that allowed bystanders in Tucson incident to tackle the killer.

[Bonhomme Richard]

6. Jamming? I didn't hear about that, Link? n/t

[RamboLiberal]

7. I'm on my way out the door

There's several account I know in this forum or just google. Sheriff had already mentioned in his news conferences Sat or Sun.

[Bonhomme Richard]

24. Found it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Kind of like the flight student that wants to learn to fly, but not land.

Where have we seen that before?

[spin]

8. Reloading is part of shooting ..

just as landing is part of flying.

[safeinOhio]

9. My personal opinion is that reloading

is the least important part of defensive gun use. Something like 85% of all defensive gun use is from 6 feet or less. I have never seen an article about someone defending themselves using 30 rounds. If you are that far away, you can escape. For protection, they'd make better use of range time on accurate shooting at close range. That would mean being able to hit a target without using your sights or having to raise your weapon to do that at close range. Just my opinion and something to think about.

[spin]

10. To be honest ...

I don't buy into the need to have a firearm with a hi-cap mag and several to back it up one your belt (unless you are a cop).

I carry a five shot revolver and sometimes I remember to grab a speed loader.

I do practice shooting at close range without using the sights. If someone attacks you, you will most likely be focused on them or their weapon rather than the sights on your firearm.

[guitar man]

23. I'm not into the hi-cap thing either

When I carry it's usually my 1911, it can go 7+1 but a lot of times I don't even bother with the +1, it seems to be a little more reliable if I rack one up the pipe and just leave 6 in the mag. I don't mind though, since she over 90 years old now I'll cut her some slack ;)

[benEzra]

16. Shooting at close range is a necessary skill, most definitely.

Shooting *while moving* is also important. Reloading and malfunction clearance are second-tier skills, but are still important.

IMO, one of the best ways to practice all of the above is something like IPSC/USPSA/IDPA competition.

[X_Digger]

28. Reloading, jam drills, etc are all important-

Doesn't matter if you're carrying 10 rounds or 30- you could have an FTF/FTE on the first shot and need to quickly swap mags.

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[PavePusher]

19. I practice that every time I go to the range.

I should change my training schedule routine because a mad-man broke the law?

I thought all the anti's wanted us "well trained"?

[guitar man]

11. if you wanna see some fast reloading

watch this guy...with a 8 shot revolver :wow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCellB_UQ

[spin]

12. When he does six shots, reloads and fires six more shots -- he uses a CLIP!

[guitar man]

13. yeah, instead of a speedloader

amazing :wow:

[spin]

15. I own a S&W 25-2, a 625-2 and a Model 940 all which use clips ...

Clips are faster than speedloaders.


S&W Model 25-2 .45 aco


S&W Model 625-2 .45 acp

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__KONc6M3jls/SkrerzD0I7I/AAAAAAAAAqQ/iJA4Hqranj0/s640/sw940+008.JPG
S&W Model 940 9mm

[guitar man]

17. yeah that's right

still pretty amazing on the reload time.I've got a Taurus .357 but never have gotten into the super fast reload thing with it. If I want quick reloads, I carry my 1911 :)

[benEzra]

14. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas. Accuracy is only once facet of competence.

Accuracy is only one facet of competence; if you can't reload worth a crap, you don't know how to run the gun. That's like saying how good a driver you are but being unable to shift gears, or bragging about good of a tennis player you are but only knowing how to serve.

Accuracy, Power, Speed. That's the triad of skills that constitute skill with a firearm, and is the motto of the International Practical Shooting Confederation, the governing body of sanctioned practical pistol shooting competition around the world.

For all the blather from the gun prohibitionists about wanting gun owners to be competent with their weapons, they apparently don't like us to practice with them.

[Endangered Specie]

34. damned if we do, damned if we don't

(practice, that is)

[RC]

21. What kind of real life defensive need is there to reload?

If you can't can't take your target with whatever the gun holds and need more, you're in the wrong part of town.

[PavePusher]

22. Gosh, I don't know.

Criminals don't tend to take a survey of victim preparedness before they commit their acts. And they frequently act in groups.

Edit: P.S. They also don't get blown 10 feet backwards with one shot of anything. You may have to shoot a criminal multiple times before s/he stops their actions.

[benEzra]

26. ANY defensive use would generally be followed immediately

by an assessment of one's surroundings, followed by an immediate reload.

Getting attacked by a violent criminal is rare. However, in the unlikely event you are attacked, finding yourself attacked by an accomplice is not rare (and that will be much more likely than the initial attack was). Hence the reload while you are waiting for 911 to respond, unless you are at home and are using an extended magazine rather than a carry magazine.

Also, while pistols and rifles are quite reliable, the #1 cause of failure (assuming you are using defensive ammo and not cheap Wallyworld bulk-pack FMJ) is a bad magazine. If tap-rack-bang doesn't get the gun going, you drop the mag and reload. Hard to do if you don't carry a spare.

[Atypical Liberal]

29. Why limit yourself?

If you can't can't take your target with whatever the gun holds and need more, you're in the wrong part of town.

But if you could give yourself an edge by having more firepower available, why limit yourself unnecessarily? It's not like there is a cost savings by buying a firearm with a lower capacity. Why not get the most bang for your buck?

[Statistical]

32. Failure to feed or magazine failure.

Tap Rack Bang.

If weapon isn't still working it is time to drop the mag and use your backup.

That being said I don't carry a backup mag when CCW. However the gunvault in the bedroom has a XD-M and a spare mag (along with flashlight).

[Straw Man]

36. Congratulations...

If you can't can't take your target with whatever the gun holds and need more, you're in the wrong part of town.

You have just demonstrated to the whole forum that you know absolutely nothing about armed self-defense. Thanks for sharing.

[Atypical Liberal]

25. Fast reloading...

Believe it or not, there are lots of people in this country who are heavily involved in competitive pistol shooting sports. Many of these activities are timed, so being fast is essential to winning.

IDPA and IPSC come to mind, but there are others.

http://www.idpa.com/
http://ipsc.org/

In these sports, the ability to reload quickly is essential to being competitive.

People who engage in these sports are quite likely to go to shooting ranges for practice.

[benEzra]

27. Yup. If you do it right, the new magazine should be in the gun before the old one hits the ground.

Stages are often won on mag changes.

[kudzu22]

31. Like this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI9zeo5mpXs&feature=related

Note at no time does he fire more than 8 without a reload.

[Abq_Sarah]

30. maybe it will make them more familiar with their firearm

I teach different styles of reloading in my CCW class. I get students who aren't particularly familiar with their weapon and the drills help them feel more comfortable.

[Endangered Specie]

33. i practice mag changes as i use a low cap gun AND

in case of a magazine failure. i prefer to practice a medium pace bc too fast and you might fumble...