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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:54 PM
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Every single gun law passed in the last 20 years ...
Every single gun law passed in the last 20 years was referred to as a "sensible gun law" or "reasonable regulation" when proposed.

And yet...


The claims that "we need sensible regulation" or "we need reasonable gun laws" continue, as if we have none.

Whats the deal? The laws passed as "reasonable regulation" and "sensible gun control" stopped being "reasonable" ?

They have a shelf life or something?

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:12 PM
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1. God thought her Ten Commandments were sensible & reasonable but Gen 6:6 says
"And it repented the LORD that she had made man on the earth, and it grieved her at her heart." {editorial corrections made for translation errors made in other documents}
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:33 AM
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24. -- snort --
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:20 PM
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2. of course - would anyone propose "unreasonable regulation"?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:25 PM
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3. Redheads are banned from obtaining CCWs!
Now that's an unreasonable regulation!
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:31 PM
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4. YOU tell her
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:25 PM
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5. No can do. We have a deal.
I don't give her any shit and she doesn't take any.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:26 PM
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6. Heh..:)
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:41 PM
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17. What use would either of them have for a CCW?
Where would she- actually, I don't want to know...
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:38 AM
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22. my point is that no one would claim their legislation was unreasonable as they were proposing it
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:22 PM
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28. I know - I was just trying to make light
:)
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:13 PM
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29. good for you - we are too serious around here sometimes - need a breath of air on occasion
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:56 AM
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25. Being married to a redhead for 20 years
I gotta tell ya, I had to stop and think about that one! :spray: :rofl:
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:38 PM
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13. Sure, its done all the time...
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 07:40 PM by beevul
Sure, its done all the time, on the gun issue, and lots of other things.

Do you think the patriot act was reasonable?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:37 AM
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21. who claimed it was unreasonable as they were proposing it
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:17 AM
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23. Well, there you touch on a point
Certainly, nobody would concede that the regulation they proposed was "unreasonable," but whether it would serve the purpose under which it was sold, or whether it would serve a purpose known only to its proponents is a different matter all together.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:32 PM
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7. You just discovered how they plan to advance us to a total gun ban
At every step of the way they say that what they are pushing for is reasonable gun control and that they don't want to ban your guns. Like the Martian in the movie "mars attacks" who says dont run, we want to be friends as he is frying people with his death ray.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:46 PM
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8. Just who are you talking about?
Perhaps you should be on another website.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:16 PM
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9. Voice your opinion here...
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:17 PM
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10. I'm talking about people who want to pass more gun control
Even if you honestly just want one accessory banned or one gun type banned there will be people after you who want to take the next step. So we can't afford to allow any progress in gun control no matter how "reasonable" you think it is.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:23 PM
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11. Not going to happen...
Pure NRA hysteria.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:32 PM
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12. What, you think the nra paid people to say the things quoted here?
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 07:37 PM by beevul
"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." Charles Krauthammer

We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc. which is now the brady campaign

"Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases,"

Rep. William L. Clay D-St. Louis, Mo

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step."

Stockton, California Mayor Barbara Fass

"I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!"

Sen. John H. Chafee R.-R.I., In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992

""My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don't have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that's the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation."

Bobby Rush; Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999

"Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind."

Rep. Major Owens (D-Brooklyn, N.Y.), 139 Cong. Rec. H9088 at H9094, Nov. 10, 1993

"I would like to dispute that. Truthfully. I know it's an amendment. I know it's in the Constitution. But you know what? Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns."

Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls -- such as expanding background checks at gun shows and stopping the import of high-capacity magazines -- and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act introduced by Senator Robert Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat of Rhode Island. Their measure would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."

Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Dispense With the Half Steps and Ban Killing Machines, Houston Chronicle, Nov. 5, 1999

"We will never fully solve our nation's horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons."

Jeff Muchnick, Legislative Director, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Better Yet, Ban All Handguns, USA Today, Dec. 29, 1993

"The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of the private sale of handguns and assault weapons in the United States."

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, http://www.csgv.org/content/coalition/coal_intro.html (visited June 20, 2000) (boldface added) ("The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is composed of 44 civic, professional and religious organizations and 120,000 individual members that advocate for a ban on the sale and possession of handguns and assault weapons.")

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." Rahm Emmanuel

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" Charles Schumer

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." Diane Feinstein

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." Howard Metzenbaum

"I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers ...no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun." Dean Morris

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." Michael Dukakis

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." Diane Feinstein

"No, we're not looking at how to control criminals ... we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns." --U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum

"What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned." U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum, Democrat from Ohio


"Until we can ban all of them , then we might as well ban none." U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings 1993


"I'm not interested in getting a bill that deals with airport security... all I want to do is get at plastic guns." -U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1993

"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose." Janet Reno

"We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose." Major Owens

"If it were up to me we'd ban them all." Mel Reynolds CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993

Hysteria indeed. :eyes:

Yeah, its all just a big nra conspiracy. :rofl:


So when, in your opinion, did the prohibitionists take thier ball and go home, exactly? :rofl:
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:46 PM
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14. How many of those statements translated into successful bans?
It's NRA hysteria.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:56 PM
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15. The gun ban and confiscation schemes would require that you distract people by saying such
Things as "it's pure NRA propaganda"

You aren't fooling anyone with that.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:29 PM
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16. Non sequitur
"It's NRA hysteria."

First, hat does the nra have to do with this? I guess if someone were to post quotes of prominent individuals and politicians and organizations wanting and proposing to ban abortion, that would just be naral hysteria too, right?


Second...you seem as if you expect everyone who would opposed, to wait until AFTER a successful ban is in place, to fight against the idea.

Why is that? (I think I know the answer, but I'll give you a chance to say your piece)


I'll ask again:

When, in your opinion, did the prohibitionists take thier ball and go home, exactly?

Just because few of the many proposed bans made it into law, does not mean that myself or anyone else will give them a starting point from which to incrementally build. Nor does it mean we will stop shining a light in thier direction.

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:55 PM
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27. Quoting individuals making statements 20 years ago...
whose suggestions never went anywhere seems to indicate that their ideas were not popular enough to gain any traction.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:37 PM
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 01:59 AM
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20. Forget about the NICS check? N/T
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:40 AM
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19. Many were uneeded, not sensible, and not reasonable when they were passed
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:24 PM
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:57 AM
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26. The Volstead Act was sold as "sensible" legislation
Every law that gets passed is called "sensible".

The term has no real meaning any more.
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