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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:37 AM Original message |
Why are Republicans pushing guns onto the college campuses? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. recommend -- though i expect this to go up in flames. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. What's the problem? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. This is the problem...... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Again - there have been no problems with those states that allow it |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. I'm talking about motive. If the only reason you're bringing your gun to school is to threaten.. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. What about all of us liberal that support concealed carry? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Oh, just stop it. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
66. You're impure...probably unclean too nt |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
60. "The only reason?" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. The FBI and DOJ are RW? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
134. Who's talking about "threatening"? |
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samplegirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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high_and_mighty (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
179. Well said? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. Mayhaps if they would remove the AW ban from the platform |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. What is the "AW" ban? We were never talking about disarming anyone. This is a PHONY issue! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Assault weapons ban. nt |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Whatever! This is just another excuse. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. No, it is not. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. I'm questioning the reasons they're giving. I don't believe they give a fuck about the AW ban. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. I don't follow.... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
119. This is a classic emotional rant by someone who will refuse |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
93. You want ot take legal action |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
135. No-one is threatening you with a gun. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
56. It is not phony and it cost us seriously in some areas |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. Republicans? broader than that I am afraid |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No they won't. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. No they won't |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Petitions for facts only get you put on ignore |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
122. With their tired old arguments and misleading charts... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Since mine is the only chart in this thread, perhaps you could actually speak to me? n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. as a courtesy to you, I was referring to the gun charts in general. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
162. Many of the charts posted come from reliable sources such as the DOJ ... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. nothing says higher education like a glock 9 |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. The right happens to be the biggest supporter of 2A is all. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Well if this phony fight keeps going on we'll ALL be wearing guns everywhere. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. A SC Judge once confided in me that the intention was to have "justice" decided in the streets |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
138. Then the Judge was an idiot. n/t |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #138 |
158. No. Judge was right just watching the progression of that since said years ago. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
191. Sorry, there is a distinct legal difference between self-defense and vigilantism. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. We'll just have to defend ourselves. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Jared Loughner was carrying his weapon legally right up until he shot Gabby Giffords and 19 |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Do you apply that logic to everything? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. This is a false meme. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
88. You didn't read my post fully. I never said ALL firearm owners were |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #88 |
105. "Jared Lee Loughner was within his rights to...own a firearm" |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. What would have happened if Jared were pulled over and searched on his way to the event though? |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Fair questions |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
140. What would have happened had the Sheriff prosecuted Jared on the |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #105 |
113. What laws? |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. How could it be legit if the law says people who are a danger to the public cannot own them? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. It's quite simple. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Yes, but WHY wasn't he committed or put into the courts for adjudication |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #127 |
143. Because it's hard to do. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. BUt students and faculty reported numerous times they were fearful of him |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. Hindsight is 20-20 |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. They thought he was dangerous enough to expel from a public school |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #127 |
145. He wasn't found to be mentally incompetent by a court |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. How would any civil rights be lost if multiple people report multiple times |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Ok, so a guy walks through the mall mumbling to himself and people |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Please take a moment to read the article in full |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. I'm NOT disagreeing with you but he did NOT get the psych evaluation |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Thank-you for the clarification and you are absolutely correct |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. In hindsight, you're correct. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. What then is the threshhold for intervention? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. That is the question of the day |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Except there is a legal threshhold already written |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Not disagreeing. This lead to him NOT being put into NICS |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #177 |
196. How about the Psych equivalent of a TRO? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Well, that's a viable option PROVIDED |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. That is the question of the day |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
141. His mother worked for the county. I suspect |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
154. That would seem almost indictable |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
112. Sorry, I must have misunderstood you. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #112 |
147. Well keeping guns away from Ex-cons is definitely something we can both agree on. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
68. It makes you wonder why, with all his encounters with authorities |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
144. I suspect a relationship exists between the family and the sheriff. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
139. Not really. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
43. Death threats are illegal. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
137. O.K., now you're talking about something else entirely. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
14. You've hit a key issue. Armed *conservatives* is the result of these laws, and the goal. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What about us armed liberals? nt |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Isn't that a contradiction? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Liberals support all civil rights. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Exactly! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
69. Not if you are a blue collar or rural liberal, no. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
79. Yes and no. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
164. Not at all. The Second Amendment is extremely liberal and progressive ... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Armed liberals need to dissuade the NRA of its absolutist positions. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. The NRA supports background checks, gun safety training |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Start with the core fallacy that any regulation is an attempt at a total ban. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. How about strong enforcement of EXISTING laws? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
77. Another NRA deception. Guns = crime is not the issue. Nor does correllation = causation. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
96. I never stated that it did. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Registration would allow ATF to track illegal sales better, for a start. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Did you really just type that? |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Why would someone register an illegal transaction? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
131. Hahahahahahahahaha! Took me a second, but thats some funny shit right there! |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #131 |
146. Ditto... Flew right over my head, but thankfully it did a 180 and smacked me... |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Thank-you, I'll be here all we. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #99 |
117. It also negates the prime purpose of the second amendment. n/t |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
129. Nope. Illegals sales are not required to register. 5th Amendment. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #99 |
130. Uh, if it is an ILLEGAL sale, why would it be registerd? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #99 |
178. Umm, logic-fail, me thinks... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
64. What useful purpose does registration have when it comes to |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. The argument that criminals ignore the law is meaningless. Why have laws, at all then? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. No - the argument is why should we have useless and ineffective laws? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
87. And we don't, if they affect others adversely. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
195. Why have laws, at all then? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Sorry, registration is a no-go. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #81 |
95. That logic is the problem. NRA balances a real gov't need to regulate vs. a theoretical conspiracy |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. I don't follow. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
132. That is NOT how the NRA gets paid. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
185. What dou you mean by this? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
156. Why not take them at their word? |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #156 |
180. *sigh* |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
193. Thats NOT the position. Its a mischaracterization of it. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
57. What is an "absolutist position"? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
61. You mean like their 'absolutist' position on Project Exile? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
98. Like the absolutist postion that registration is a secret plot to ban all guns. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. You mean like long guns in NYC or SKSs in CA? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The heck of it is... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. and bringing them onto college campuses, why? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. The same reason as bringing them anywhere else. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
73. Stop it!! You're clouding the issue with logic - nt |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
133. Why not? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Exactly! |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
62. False as to fact |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. OMG! My husband tried to get my best friend (aka gay BF) into pink pistols! |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
94. Pink Pistols are a real plus to the community |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. That is awesome. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. But there are plenty of guns on campus already |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. why should she? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
25. That's Exactly why... to foment fear and intimidation |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Yep! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. and I agree with you! |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
54. Literally millions of good Democrats own guns.. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. My husband (then my BF) took me and my gay BF out shooting once |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
80. I'm not attacking the guns, I'm attacking the motives. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. If someone threatens you with a gun, that is a crime. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
123. --snort-- |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
186. No-one is doing that. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
29. kicked!! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
45. More guns = more shootings. More shootings = more profits for manufacturers & security co's. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. don't ya just love sociopathy? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Don't you love fact less hyperbole? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
91. The only sociopathy is the willful ignorance of the facts. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #91 |
103. your facts saving lives or endangering them more in your pursuit for |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Ahh, here come the fallacious arguments. At least you are consistent. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
200. I Know Enough... I see the demand for less regulations on guns |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Too bad the facts show exactly the opposite |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Not on campuses... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. How can that be when they are gun free zones? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. That is not an answer they have, it doesnt fit the narrative. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
70. more shootings = more paranoia = more guns - an unending cycle |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
128. Except more guns seems to equal fewer shootings |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
142. please provide a link that demonstrates that fewer shootings is caused by more guns |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #142 |
194. Here is one |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
84. But that is patently false! |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
53. Being so afraid and living in fear |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
58. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ..." |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
59. An open letter I wrote to UGA administration and the GA legislature about guns on college campuses: |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
76. That's a really good letter. But we need to start to question the motives |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. I'm starting to question the motive of fear-mongering |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
157. You can see how poorly it works |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. I can't call this OP the product of cable news |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #160 |
182. But fear mongering was the net result and most obviously the intent of Festerfest '11 |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. Holy crap. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
83. Not having followed the debate in GA.. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
97. My letter letter was a response to a letter from a guy who said "concealed guns make a safer campus" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
109. Yeah, I agree, that part's a bullshit argument. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
101. Numerous problems with that letter. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
188. Ft. Hood?!?! Fucking Seriously?! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
205. I would say the primary purpose of carrying a concealed weapon is to protect oneself |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
86. You are SO right!!! |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
89. To goad the Democrats into going after the guns. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
100. tennessee is one of four states that allows loaded guns in bars |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
163. Have there been any problems in those states with guns in bars? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. you don't see a problem in mixing guns and liquor? |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. That is generally considered illegal |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. Not if I'm not drinking... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. obviously that is not the situation most of are concerned about, now is it |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #174 |
183. No, but it's the most likely scenario from a group that is more likely to follow the law.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #174 |
197. Deleted message |
one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #174 |
210. Are you worried? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. Any gun owner who conceal carries into a bar AND drinks |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
190. Can you demonstrate that it has been a statistically significant problem? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
114. Texas has a similar bill up for consideration.. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
115. I think you are on to something. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
165. Exactly. But, just wait, someone will ask who appointed you the "arbiter of want/need." |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #165 |
192. It is a valid question. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #192 |
201. Maybe it is a valid question if you have nogunagoraphobia. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #165 |
203. I got me a Zumbo mug |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
120. Joanne98, you said "The colleges have a duty to protect their students." |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
168. Paranoid that those republicans are going to get you, do they also send |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #168 |
181. I understand tinfoil hats reflect the rays n/t |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #168 |
184. Careful |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
189. a more serious post. There are lots of republicans out there who want to limit the 2A also |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #189 |
198. Great post! (n/t) |
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Douva (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
202. Wow. Just wow. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
204. I don't know about RWers, but I want to carry concealed on my campus to protect myself if I need to |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
206. If this is true: |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
207. THANK YOU for focussing on big-picture strategy! |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
208. Pay attention |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
209. I'm not worried. |
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