Three officers wounded while serving warrant at Florida home. CNN saying two are dead.

[KansasVoter]

Breaking news. CNN says two are dead. Not confirmed yet.

Lets face it. The NRA WANTS people to think they need a gun. They want to make you scared and paranoid so you buy guns and the gun business makes more money and they get more members.

So we have 1000s carrying concealed when 99% will never need to use it but MANY hope they get to someday.

The "gun culture" is a real issue. But all here will deny it.

Too bad the officers serving the warrant were not armed....wait...whoops...they were.

Oh I know, we need guns to stop the government from overthrowing us. What a joke.

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[DrDan]

2. more gun violence - I am sure there will be plenty who see it as simply a necessary cost

[wtmusic]

4. Even overlooking the human cost

can local PD's afford to send in a f*cking SWAT team every time they need to serve a warrant?

Out of control.

[shadowrider]

5. SWAT teams indicate the person receiving the warrant was a badass person

This person OBVIOUSLY has broken the law before and was probably prohibited from owning/having a weapon.

No additional gun law anywhere would stop that.

[RSillsbee]

29. Some police forces use SWAT

to deliver misdemeanor warrants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztwcaCE2S4s

[Hangingon]

60. This guy was a "bad ass".

Read the CNN story, mentioned in passing by the OP, as an excuse for this continuation of his ongoing anti-NRA screed.

[Euromutt]

69. As a matter of fact they can afford to send in the SWAT team even when it's not needed

Most departments that have a SWAT team have very little use for it in the way of hostage crises, barricaded suspects, etc. so to justify the team's existence, it gets sent out to conduct even the most minor search or warrant serving job. According to the Baltimore Sun (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-02-24/news/bal-md.hermann24feb24_1_raids-officers-part-ii-crimes), over half (105 out of 195) the raids carried out by Prince George's County police's SWAT team during the second half of 2009 were related to non-violent offenses. The team conducted, on average, one raid a day.

I heartily recommend reading Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America by Radley Balko http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf Yes, I know it's from the Cato Institute.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. gun idolatry forever!

[Katya Mullethov]

6. .

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[OHdem10]

7. This is about 8 officers shot in the last 48 hours.

Detroit, Guy walked into Detroit Policce Station
yesterday and pulled out a Shotgun blasting 4 Policemen
not all dead but the intent is there, I would say.

Yesterday in Washington State 2 shot

This past week, Officer killed LA.

The list goes on state by state.

[KansasVoter]

12. If there had been more armed people this could of ended quietly

[wtmusic]

17. 100 shots fired - maybe a high-cap mag allowed him to "defend" himself nt

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[cleanhippie]

43. Wow, on a roll today, huh? Just making things up as you go along or what?

No one but you stated that.

[wtmusic]

28. 10 in the last 24 hours, per CNN

"The three law enforcement officers are among at least 10 shot in the last 24 hours nationwide. Four officers were shot and wounded at a Detroit police precinct on Sunday. Two Kitsap County, Washington, sheriff's deputies were shot and wounded at a Walmart in the town of Port Orchard. And an Indianapolis, Indiana, police officer was critically injured Sunday in a shooting during a traffic stop."

[RSillsbee]

31. How many were shot by legal gun owners? NT

[wtmusic]

33. Calm down

I know you can't wait to get your talking points in, but it would be kinda hard to know already, wouldn't it? :eyes:

[RSillsbee]

36. Probably not NT

[wtmusic]

39. When challenged you guys revert to grade school logic

Kinda fun to watch :D

[RSillsbee]

47. What grade school logic?

Criminals do illegal things w/ guns. How does this justify curtailing my rights?

[Euromutt]

70. And that proves... what?

In 2008, one guy with a knife charged into a police station in Shanghai and stabbed nine cops, six of whom died as a result. It's more a matter of wanting to inflict harm on law enforcement than anything.

[petronius]

8. Sad news. I certainly hope the wounded officer pulls through,

and that the families of the slain are well cared for... :(

[shadowrider]

9. Agreed n/t

[jdlh8894]

10. Link Please!!!

[KansasVoter]

11. CNN.COM

[Common Sense Party]

14. That's not a link.

[KansasVoter]

15. It's on the front page Einstein!

[Common Sense Party]

18. It won't be forever, genius.

Here:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/24/florida.officers.shot/index.html?hpt=T2

Was that so hard?

[Common Sense Party]

13. Yes, if you had confiscated the guns of all this guys' law-abiding

neighbors, this NEVER would have happened!!!

:wtf:

I'm not sure I'm following you here. But it's pretty hard to follow someone who makes no sense.

How's that concealed carry class going?

[KansasVoter]

16. "Gun Culture" get it? "You Need A Gun" logic. "You must be armed".

[Common Sense Party]

19. No. I don't get it. What you're babbling about has absolutely NOTHING to do

with these officers getting shot by a criminal.

[shadowrider]

20. I've enacted this little feature thingy so I can't see the posters comments

but get used to it. His normal posts have nothing to do with the subject at hand and only slam gun owners.

Note the lack of sympathy for the fallen officers and concern for those injured. Only JOY that they were shot.

[Common Sense Party]

22. I don't know that he/she feels joy...but I still fail to see how taking away

the guns from law-abiding citizens is going to prevent things like this from happening. What does one have to do with the other?

[shadowrider]

25. Nothing. And you and I agree n/t

[Hangingon]

61. +1

[notesdev]

21. How exactly was this warrant being served?

Was it a simple knock on the door, or did they bust in military-style with no warning?

[shadowrider]

23. No idea n/t

[Common Sense Party]

26. According to the OP's unlinked story:

Authorities have been trying to locate the suspect for weeks, Harmon said, using both uniformed and undercover officers. The officers went to the home about 7 a.m. Monday to talk to a "young lady" regarding his whereabouts, but did not expect him to be there, the chief said.

The woman told the officers the man was in the home's attic, Harmon said.

The officers went after the man, who fired at them from the attic, he said. One of the officers remained in the attic after being shot.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/24/florida.officers.shot/index.html?hpt=T2

[wtmusic]

35. They crawled into the attic military-style, with no warning

:eyes:

When all else fails read the link

[cleanhippie]

44. "Military style"? WTF is that?

[Common Sense Party]

50. What link? The OP provided none. Where do you get the "no warning"

stuff? In the CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/24/florida.officers.shot/index.html?hpt=T2 they don't mention "military style" or "no warning." They mention that the "young lady" at the house told them where he was hiding. Police always announce that they are cops when going into situations such as that.

[madrchsod]

24. why did`t they use gas?

[Common Sense Party]

27. According to the story, they didn't even expect him to be there.

I guess they didn't have the gas ready.

I'm not sure why they haven't gassed him by now, up in the attic.

[Remmah2]

52. 93 Octane? nt

nt

[ManiacJoe]

56. Probably due to a high fire risk.

[PavePusher]

30. Please explain how this relates to legal use of firearms by non-criminals.

We'll wait...

[Common Sense Party]

32. and wait...and wait...and wait...

:boring:

[wtmusic]

37. Sucks how fast a non-criminal can become a criminal just by pulling a trigger

Sucks even worse if you're his target

[jeepnstein]

42. Normal people...

don't have the police searching for them for weeks, then have to hide in the attic with a firearm to try to evade arrest. I'm thinking this guy had some serious issues even before deciding to kill a couple of cops. He didn't just "suddenly snap".

Why do you think they were looking for him? Maybe to give him a McDonald's gift card for wearing a seat belt?

[PavePusher]

45. And apparently that wasn't the case here.

Care to try again?

[Union Scribe]

65. You seem to display the distrust of your fellow man that

the OP claims gun owners are driven by.

[HelenWheels]

57. Where do a lot of criminals get their guns?

Steal them from non-criminals. With all the lax carry laws there are a lot of guns out there ripe for the pickin'.

[PavePusher]

63. Can you cite to where significant numbers of legal carriers have had their guns stolen...

while wearing them?

I'm betting you can't.

[RSillsbee]

34. Welcome to a dimension

of lies and sound bytes

Where things are never they seem

Where facts don't exist

and Sarah Brady is hawt

There's the sign post up ahead

you've entered

The gun control reality distortion field

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

40. "and Sarah Brady is hawt"

Aww jebus, did you have to write that? :spank:
I literally gagged when I read that. :puke:

[RSillsbee]

46. I said it was a reality distortion field NT

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

48. Yeah, well now my mind's-eye is a smoldering mine-field of regret.

[PavePusher]

38. Where do you get this assumption "MANY hope they get to"?

I'd like a cite for that, please.

[cleanhippie]

41. Your entire post is ignorant speculation.

So we have 1000s carrying concealed when 99% will never need to use it but MANY hope they get to someday.

How could you POSSIBLY know that? You can't, so you made it up.

The rest of your post is nothing but a giant strawman.

Unrec for epic fail.

[sharesunited]

49. The thin blue line just keeps getting thinner

thanks to the willful misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Such a tragedy. Now carry on dying y'all.

[krispos42]

55. If the blue line is getting thinner, thank budget crunches, not criminals

[Remmah2]

51. Catch and release program for felons.

It just does not work.

[rrneck]

53. Culture wars are SO productive. nt

[X_Digger]

54. I think you missed a spot..

Back in the real world..

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/

Crime Stats 2010
Our preliminary report shows crime rates fell across the board during the first six months of 2010.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/preliminary-crime-in-the-us-2009

[ileus]

58. MANY hope they get to someday...link?

[Atypical Liberal]

59. People hoping they get to use it.

Lets face it. The NRA WANTS people to think they need a gun. They want to make you scared and paranoid so you buy guns and the gun business makes more money and they get more members.

Not sure what two police officers getting shot has to do with the NRA. The NRA does what it's 4+ million members want it to.

So we have 1000s carrying concealed when 99% will never need to use it but MANY hope they get to someday.

I carry a spare tire in my car. Is this because I'm looking forward to the day I can use it? I have life insurance. Is this because I'm looking forward to the day I can use it? I have smoke and carbon monoxide detectors. Is this because I'm looking forward to the day I can use them?

Of course not. Oh, I'm sure there are some Rambo-wanna-bees out there who are salivating at the prospect of being a hero with a gun. But most people don't look forward to using tools that have been procured for use during times of extreme crisis, because they don't savor the idea of going through an extreme crisis.

The "gun culture" is a real issue. But all here will deny it.

I don't deny it. I fully enjoy and embrace the "gun culture". It's been a part of my family for generations. I enjoy hunting and target shooting and the sense of preparedness that firearms give. I enjoy owning functional family heirlooms, with all their inherent monetary value, their artistic value, and their engineering craftsmanship. I enjoy honing the skill it takes to use these weapons well. I enjoy manufacturing my own ammunition for the cost savings and the satisfaction of knowing that I can.

Too bad the officers serving the warrant were not armed....wait...whoops...they were.

Which just goes to show, even when multiple people are coming to get you with guns, you can successfully resist.

Oh I know, we need guns to stop the government from overthrowing us. What a joke.

I understand that you think it is a joke. My question to you is, do you think the founders thought it was a joke? I'm asking a serious question here. I know you think it is a joke and an impossibility today, but I am genuinely curious as to whether you think it was ever possible, or if you think the founders thought it was.

[beevul]

62. For once I agree with something you said.

For once I agree with something you said:

"The "gun culture" is a real issue."

I agree completely with what you said. I just don't agree with what you mean.

The "gun culture" IS a problem. It is still not large enough or strong enough to be unasailable by the "reasonable restrition" and "ban them" crowd (redundant I know).

A few more years of calling unreasonable restrictions "reasonable", and calls for bans on standard capacity mags, and we'll be much closer.

Keep em coming.

[Union Scribe]

64. Wait, are they "scared" or do they "hope they get to" shoot someone?

Those don't mesh well together, so your armchair psychiatrist act is going to have to pick one.

[friendly_iconoclast]

66. Four words that will cause you to react like a vampire to a tanning bed...

Cite to evidence, please.

[PavePusher]

71. Hey, I've got the patent on that you know... ! 8>) n/t

[Kennah]

68. Still waiting ...

... to hear reports of how many officers were shot or killed by otherwise law abiding people who suddenly snapped.

[Tejas]

72. Dancing in the blood of slain officers + flamebait (how quaint).

No link to an article, just (as you put it) BREAKING NEWS about dead LEO's +
NRA = OMFGGUNNZ!!11!!! +
CCW holders HOPE to shoot someone +
a couple of unintelligible sentences that probably mean something.....to someone.