Peggy Noonan says Obama should propose Ext Mag Law-Repubs won't go to wall

[RamboLiberal]

Here are three things he can do in the speech that would be surprising, shrewd, centrist and good policy. The first may seem small but is not. Normal people are not afraid of a lowering of discourse in political speech. They don't like it, but it's not keeping them up nights. Normal people are afraid of nuts with guns. That keeps them up nights. They know our society has grown more broken, families more sundered, our culture more degraded, and they fear it is producing more lost and disturbed young people. They fear those young people walking into a school or a mall with a semiautomatic pistol with an extended clip.

What civilian needs a pistol with a magazine that loads 33 bullets and allows you to kill that many people without even stopping to reload? No one but people with bad intent. Those clips were banned once; the president should call for reimposing the ban. The Republican Party will not go to the wall to defend extended clips. The problem is the Democratic Party, which overreached after the assassinations of the 1960s, talked about banning all handguns, and suffered a lasting political setback. Now Democrats are so spooked they won't even move forward on small and obvious things like this. The president should seize the moment and come out strong for a ban.

http://patriotpost.us/opinion/peggy-noonan/2011/01/22/how-to-continue-the-obama-upswing/

[monmouth]

1. OMG...I actually agree with Noonan. n/t

[RamboLiberal]

3. But I bet she's reading Republicans wrong

Not to mention blue dog or rural/suburban Dems.

[shadowrider]

5. Scenario: 33 rd. mags are outlawed. Great. What's the new limit?

17? 15? 12? 10? 5?

Does she not realize you can outlaw them all you want. A bad guy WILL NOT obey the law and will use one if he/she deems. There are thousands upon thousands of them out there. How they gonna confiscate them all?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. 33 round? Nearly all the "noise" is pushing to limit mags at 10 rounds.

limiting firearms to tan rounds is silly. Why ten?

[shadowrider]

15. I agree. There is nothing I've seen in the article that states what the new limit should be n/t

[petronius]

25. In that case, we should probably start somewhere we can all agree on

How about we ban 101-round and larger handgun magazines, and if that doesn't work we'll just scrap the whole idea...

[damntexdem]

16. Because fewer is likely not politically possible.

Although I would favor something like six. Ought to be enough to hit something, without killing too many bystanders.

[shadowrider]

18. So if the limit is 10, would you push to reduce that to 6? n/t

[lawodevolution]

21. And now you understand why we must stop gun control From any further advancement

Because every step along the way to the ban and confiscation there are those who are willing to support the next step and you can see how evident this is in this thread.

[shadowrider]

22. I've understood for a long time, the revelation didn't just come in a flash of bright light

But I want to know from the poster I responded to, who hasn't yet responded.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

19. If 6 rounds is OK, what makes the 7th round dangerous?

To set a limit, there must a reason why a particular limit is set.

What makes 7 rounds so uniquely different from 6 rounds that limit should be six?
Does that same difference exist for the transition from 5 rounds to 6 rounds?
If so, why not propose the 5 round limit?

Law should be based on logic.
If you believe a 6 round limits is reasonable, you should be able to answer the above three questions quantitatively.

[liberal N proud]

11. Scary, isn't it?

[shadowrider]

2. I agree just as soon as someone directs me to the Department of Needs

If it don't exist yet, fuggetaboutit

[TPaine7]

4. She entirely misses the point.

Who cares about the Republicans; the PEOPLE will punish Obama and his party if they make any anti-gun move. A Republican president could pull it off, but not a Democratic chief executive.

[EC]

6. No, she knows that

it's a rouse to get it done and get rid of a Dem President.

[TPaine7]

23. You're right, of course. After posting, I slapped my forehead and asked myself an obvious question:

Why would a Republican want a Democratic president to do that?...

Duh!

[shraby]

7. If he goes there, the hue and cry will be from all corners of the

right-wing on t.v., blogs, in Republican dominated state governments would be "OBAMA IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS! JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU HE WOULD DO!!!"

[slackmaster]

8. Appeal to "need" again

I'm not willing to take responsibility for putting an arbitrary limit on magazine capacity.

If the government limits it to 10 rounds, government will have blood on its hands the first time someone needs round number 11 in a defensive situation.

[krispos42]

9. IF it's so small, then why are they fighting so hard for it?

Simple: to open the door for future "small" things.

[DissedByBush]

10. Interesting change in the fears

"They fear those young people walking into a school or a mall with a semiautomatic pistol with an extended clip."

It used to be just people in the mall with weapons at all. Now an extended clip is somehow part of the deal.

A long time ago they were just afraid of negroes walking in white areas.

I don't give a shit when people are afraid of things out of their own ignorance.

[derby378]

13. And gee, my rifle has a 30-round magazine...

...so does that make me part of the problem? The Brady Campaign would probably say "yes," but I give my fellow Democrats more credit than that.

[DissedByBush]

17. I like your quote n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

12. Strawman argument...

If not at least excessive, I think everyone can agree that 30+ round pistol magazines are above and beyond the standard capacity pistol magazines. Stregically, it's a good point to argue.

- H O W E V E R -

No one is talking about only banning 33 round pistol magazines. They are talking about reinstating old bans (AWB 10 round limit)... which includes ALL magazines over 10 rounds for ALL firearms (not just pistols). This is what will kill the people proposing the ban. The MOST POPULAR selling semiautomatic rifles for the past 5-10 years come STANDARD with 30 round magazines. NEARLY EVERY modern fullsize and compact semiautomatic pistol (which make up the vast majority of handguns) comes STANDARD with 12-18 round non-extended magazines.

The ban effectively cuts into what is considered standard capacity for a non-extended factory magazine. People will find this unacceptable and, in my optinion, SCOTUS might rule against prohibiting items so commonly possessed.

[virginia mountainman]

20. Just another Republican..

Begging for Obama to ignore the historical result of Gun Control legislation....]

Just like Chaney, Bloomberg, Brady, Helmke, and McCarthy..

And some Democrats just cant help but to happily fall on the sword for their new Republican masters..

After all, what ulterior motive could Peggy Noonan have???

...............

[TPaine7]

24. Fortunately, whatever his personal feelings, Obama didn't take the bait. N/T