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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:04 PM Original message |
Honest debate means honest definitions. |
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ileus
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Standard factory issued for whatever firearm... |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. My answer |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No... |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ahhh. My bad. Let me rephrase |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. Exactly... |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Ok dude, glad I didn't have a mouthful of somethin or you'd owe me a new keyboard n/t |
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Riftaxe
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. B&J has some slight problems in that regard |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Get off of my cloud with your facts. Your propaganda is not welcome here. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. This would be helpful for those of us who don't own or have knowledge of guns -- |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Automatic and semiautomatic are clearly and concisely defined in the law. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. See? Good example. No-nothings like me, or maybe I should just speak for myself, |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Here's a quick course |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. So what'd the difference between a Semi-automatic and a revolver? As I think of |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Same general concept, pull- bang, pull-bang.. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Good explanation -- thanks. nt |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
92. To go one step further in explaining |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Double action revolvers ARE semiautomatic. |
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Euromutt
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Not really; the shooter has to do the work of cocking the hammer |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. A double action revolver is not semiautomatic? |
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guitar man
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. No |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. The number of rounds a firearm can hold has no bearing on determinatoin of "semiautomatic"... |
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guitar man
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. True but |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. You forget double action only |
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guitar man
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Doh! |
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DissedByBush
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I don't like them either |
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Euromutt
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
99. Let me qualify my earlier statement |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. I understand... and stand corrected. |
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benEzra
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. No. Revolvers and semiautos achieve the same rate of fire, but by different ends. |
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YllwFvr
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. revolvers have a cylinder |
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guitar man
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. The revolver at top |
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YllwFvr
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I own a couple of Colt SAAs that were made in the 1870s |
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guitar man
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I love them |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
73. Depends on the revolver |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Sure, happy to help.. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. And with a semi-automatic different cartridges hold varying numbers of bullets? |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. A semi-automatic holds a magazine that can contain any number |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Okay - thanks. nt |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Cartridge = round.. sorry, I was trying to be both precise but comprehensible to a layperson.. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Thanks! I thought a round was one bullet. I learned that off Johnny Carson |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. in your example, a semiautomatic |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. ... |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. A cartridge is generally a round of ammunition. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And thank you! You can tell you people know your stuff. It must drive you |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. To a degree. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I generally don't comment on Gun forum posts just because I DON'T know |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I do much the same thing on many economic issues. |
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gateley
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
68. You, too, beevul -- and thanks again for 'walking me through it! |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Your patience with the explanations is greatly appreciated |
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RSillsbee
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Definitions |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Those terms mean the following. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. here: |
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Straw Man
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
75. Sorry--have to quibble here on one point. |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Here you go... |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. You should take a look at this post from benEzra. It will help you greatly. |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
84. "assault weapon" is the hardest to define |
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Nuclear Unicorn
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
26. So if all handgun magazines were designed to hold 30 bullets |
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Glassunion
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. ooops! wrong spot... |
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NewMoonTherian
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. That's what the OP is asking. |
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shadowrider
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. If they did that I'd still stick with 10 + 1. It's heavy enough n/t |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Poor phrasing, I suspect. |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You are correct, Sir. |
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Old Codger
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. That mag |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. Average capacity |
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benEzra
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
103. Standard capacity depends on the handgun. |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. If you carry a weapon that can commit carnage in a few seconds, it's more than you need for defense. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Define Weapon? |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. "If you carry a weapon that can commit carnage in a few seconds..." |
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guitar man
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
90. Damn right it can |
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rrneck
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Define carnage. nt |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. What if you don't "carry it", and just "own" it? |
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Euromutt
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Define "carnage" |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Hey guys, the definitions are meaningless. So, spare us. I've heard it all before. |
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PavePusher
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. :"definitions are meaningless" |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. "Ignorance is Strength", indeed! |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. You're an idiot... |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Idiot, ignoramus, fool, etc., all essentially mean the same thing -- Like Magazine vs. Clip. |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
96. Magazine and Clip do not mean 'essentially the same thing' outside hollywood. |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. It does when you are talking about the necessity for tougher gun controls. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. There is such thing as a clip though, outside of talking about magazines... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. We are talking gun controls, not nomenclature for the gun obsessed. |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. If you limit 'clips', you will not address the component you seek. |
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Hoyt
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Well if there is such confusion, let's just regulate guns in public. That'll make it easy on you. |
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AtheistCrusader
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. They already are, so our work is done, yes? |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Completely wrong, and it's critical for you to understand this terminology if you want to |
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #107 |
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. LOL. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. So because YOU are unwilling to participate in a civilized |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
95. You're the one who came into this thread toting strawmen. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
98. On the contrary, definitions are very meaningful (by definition) |
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Riftaxe
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. So you would support a ban on anything but butter knives? |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Thank God he didn't have a gun with a 30+ shot magazine like you guys promote. |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. He killed more people with a cleaver than Loughner did with his 30+ shot magazine |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
97. Happened in Japan not long ago too. 7 dead, 17 injured. |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Being against something being banned is not the same as "promoting" it. |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Well if you prefer, we'll change "promote" to "enable." |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Ok, lets try it. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
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DissedByBush
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
101. I hate 30+ round magazines in pistols |
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Deleted |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. I just got a new four-pound log splitter |
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Hoyt
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I would certainly hope your state has laws that would prevent your from buying or carrying a gun. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Because I remembered basic chemistry in high school? |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. "Ignorance is Strength", remember? You don't need to know definitions, either |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
86. Of course you don't |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
94. A weapon that can "commit carnage in a few seconds" |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
66. Looks like the unrecers are having a field day. |
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DissedByBush
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
71. Example of "Artificially limited capacity mag" |
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. It's common suggestion among owners |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. I don't think you'll get any further responses... |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
91. That has got to be |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. The original short barrel looks better |
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