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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 05:06 AM Original message |
Kicking the hornets nest. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. I am not against guns |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. "I’ll take my automatic with the 30-bullet clip" |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. So, you braod-brush all gun owners with the anecdote of one foolish person. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. when I carry |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Thankfully, of the millions who own guns, only a handful are foolhardy enough to |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. more than likely you are around them every day |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. 780,595 people in Florida have concealed weapons permits ... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I am like you |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. I guess its not exactly inciting violence |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Yet decades of liberalized gun carry laws have NOT created the bloodbath you seem to expect. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What I find amazing is there are no good fact to support that either way |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The BJS has some stats, as does the CDC.. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I don't see a dramatic drop in Aggravated assaults with firearms |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. But you ignore the proliferation of firearms and liberalization of laws regarding their carry. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Look up the different years, and compare for yourself. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Baloney. The stats you claim don't exist have been posted here many times. n/t |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Never said the didn't exist |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. What you said: |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. What he means is |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Your opinion isn't backed up by fact, however.. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. X_Digger, |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. for example, in 2007..0.261 % of crimes were by CHLs |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. That's what I thought you meant. |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. your scenario? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Why is it the anti's alwasy talk about the |
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lepus (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. I see it a bit different. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. I think you might find out that |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. One issue voter? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You are right, I am a one issue voter. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. "Potential killers." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. im anti NRA |
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Francis Marion (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Broaden it up and then it's right. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. It amazes me that gun owners can threaten politicians so subtly and get away with it |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-26-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Retribution in the form of votes against you kind of goes with the territory for politicians |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. Yep, pro-gunners will add to their already large weapons cache when controls are considered. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What does that tell you about pro-gunners? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. A slight demurrer. The trouble with that is..... |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. What does it tell me? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. If it's to make a profit, consider getting into something not related to killing people. |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Not related at all to killing people. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Randy Weaver |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Now pro-gunners are defending racist survivalists (Ayran Nation) who sold illegal weapons. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Is it wrong in your opinion to buy firearms and have a firearm collection ... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Depends on what one plans to do with them and how stable the hoarder/collector is. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. So to you a "collector" is the same as a "hoarder"? n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. A stored or carried firearm (even loaded) does not pose anything like the danger of a bomb. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Now pro restrictionists are defending the killing |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Randy Weaver frequented Aryan Nation meetings and sold illegal weapons. Apparently OK with some here |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Love the association fallacy.. did you come up with that yourself? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. The Second Reich invented retirement at 65. Richard Nixon founded the EPA |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Lets not forget what the Gun control act of '68 is modeled after...N/T |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I don't see anyone disagreeing |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. He had equal protection. If toters shoot someone, what legal protection do they have? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. The guns he sold |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So you don't think we should infiltrate racist, terrorist organizations. Interesting. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I never said that |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I have no problem "deliberately setting up" terrorists, which Weaver clearly was. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yep, that assault baby was clearly a threat to law enforcement... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. "I have no problem "deliberately setting up" terrorists, which Weaver clearly was." |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. He wasn't set up out of the blue. He was set up because he was a terrorist. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. SO attach 'terra' to anyone, and any means is justified by the ends? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. What were his alledged crimes? Please, don't dodge. n/t |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. You know the old saying... |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Do you really not understand? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I understand that Weaver had well over a year to surrender, did not, and bad things happened. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Do you not understand |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. So you have no problem with cops shooting women holding children. Interesting. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Daddy Weaver should have given himself up. Instead HE put his wife in danger. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Strangely enoiugh, thats the argument the feds made in court. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Don't you know civil liberties only extend to people who's politics are acceptable |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Which is exactly what they did the next time. Oops. n/t |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. That was different |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. I forget... were there any minorities at Waco? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Worse |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. ROFL. N/T |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Apparently, flying Confederate flags means it's OK for law enforcement to shoot you |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. But they don't have the right to transfer illegal weapons and run from trial for over a year. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Once again, your ignorance is on display. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Back to the Weavers, you have still not answered the question: |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Why am I not surprised you followed this closely? Did you contribute to his defense fund? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. It is clear you didn't. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. That argument worked so well for the Feds, they ended up paying $3M to the Weaver family.... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I guess his wife and son were just collateral damage, eh? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Wasn'r his son the one that got shot in the back? NT |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Yeah, but his dad is a racist, so it was OK. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Amazing how that works. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. False accusation of association. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. The same thing it tells me about pot-smokers... |
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