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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 08:50 PM Original message |
O'Donnell calling for proof |
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Jackpine Radical
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Mon Jan-24-11 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. I dunno, but 20-round clips were pretty handy on an M-16 |
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baldguy
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Mon Jan-24-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And that would be useful if you want to turn any given urban area into a battlezone. |
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cliffordu
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
108. Son, if someone is shooting at you with any weapon whatsoever, |
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Hoyt
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Fri Mar-25-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. In a crowd, restaurant, public park, church? That's why guns in public ain't a good idea. |
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cliffordu
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Fri Mar-25-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. A worse idea would be to have the only people with guns be criminals. |
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Hoyt
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Fri Mar-25-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. I don't think having cowboys carrying guns in public and talking about blasting away is a good idea. |
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David West
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Mon Mar-28-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. Because we all know, Hoyt... |
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GreenStormCloud
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Fri Mar-25-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #111 |
118. We AIM our shots, We don't just blaze away in all directions. N/T |
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Hoyt
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Fri Mar-25-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. The poster above sounds like he's into to laying down a barrage. Not good in public. |
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X_Digger
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Fri Mar-25-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. You are the one that proposed that strategy - 'barrage'. |
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oneshooter
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Fri Mar-25-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. I don't believe that he knows what a "barrage" is. It just sounds scary to him. n/t |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And what purpose does a civilian have manning an M-16 in a 'firefight'? |
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Jackpine Radical
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Mon Jan-24-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The OP said nothing about civilians. |
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TheMadMonk
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Mon Jan-24-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No but, that doesn't excuse your conflation. |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. My bad. He was talking about private ownership, not professional (Police/Military/etc) |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Fights never come to civilians? |
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thereismore
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Mon Jan-24-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You are probably talking about wartime. nt |
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RSillsbee
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Fri Mar-25-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
115. I preferred the 20 round magazines |
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Kaleva
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Mon Jan-24-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. There's probably thousands of soldiers who would claim a high capacity magazine saved them. |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I apologize for not being clear. This is in reference to civilian ownership. |
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Kaleva
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Yes and that's why I made a follow up post. |
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Hoopla Phil
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. You do realize that "Heller" specifically listed the M-16 as being particularly suited |
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oneshooter
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Fri Mar-25-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
109. True enough. But the effective range, and the ability to have a |
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Kaleva
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Mon Jan-24-11 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. In the civilian world, there's little difference between 3 10 round mags and 1 30 rnd mag. |
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benEzra
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Mon Jan-24-11 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. If more than 10 rounds are only needed for mass murder, |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I support the carrying that - as that is their JOB. However; |
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benEzra
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Yes... |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Fine. Then lets go with the Chris Rock solution. |
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benEzra
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Which is why Chris Rock is a comedian. |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
94. It made me think twice. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
123. Not a solution at all. Bullets can be MADE much cheaper than $5k. |
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GKirk
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Tue Mar-29-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
138. Great idea! |
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Union Scribe
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. So it's okay for police to be able to kill a lot of people quickly |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. They are trained specifically to serve and protect. |
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beevul
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. But not legally obliged to do so. |
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shadowrider
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Yup, they're trained |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #39 |
78. Yet they have a far worse record of shooting the wrong people AND general aggression than the people |
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gejohnston
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
105. Not always true |
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PavePusher
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Fri Mar-25-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
112. I like it when the average Citizen can have tools for self-defense.... |
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YllwFvr
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Fri Mar-25-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
127. i would trust many of the civilians I know |
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rl6214
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Sun Mar-27-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
132. Police don't serve and protect |
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mwrguy
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Mon Mar-28-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
135. "You apparently want it all to be equal?" You don't? |
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krispos42
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. Handguns are surprisingly low-powered and hard to use. |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. I have heard that domestic relationship issues are the most dangerous for the police to answer. |
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krispos42
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. It's a very emotional environment if it attracts police attention |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
77. If this is the real position of prohibitionists, |
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Remmah2
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Should we be revising the job descriptions of criminals? |
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oneshooter
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Fri Mar-25-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
110. Simply done, since I have no idea where your neighborhood is. |
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nadinbrzezinski
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Officers carry whatever is standard for the issued weapon |
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benEzra
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Civilian .223 carbines as a replacement or supplement to the traditional patrol shotgun |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
79. I think they are far more common in rural police departements. |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Not sure if you saw this poll... |
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RagAss
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. Uhhhh...Stalingrad? |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Your reference is lost on me. |
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RagAss
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. I meant ....You probably needed a 30 round clip at the Battle of Stalingrad !!! |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Which wasn't fought by civilians to the best of my knowledge. |
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RagAss
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Plenty of Russian civilians fought in that battle. |
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sylvi
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Mon Jan-24-11 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'd ask Mr. O'Donnell |
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RegieRocker
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Both I have two hands! |
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Ter
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
96. Like Duke Nukem! |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Seriously? |
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benEzra
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. There's no penalty for leaving unfired rounds in the gun. That's the point of having them... |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Sorry for my ignorance, but what is LEO? |
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Fla_Democrat
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Wow, really? |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. DOH! |
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sylvi
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. If you're some character in a John Woo movie |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. If you are depending on a weapon of this nature for protection, |
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Marengo
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Fri Mar-25-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
116. Why are you giving advice? |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Oh, and another thought. |
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PavePusher
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. Lots of criminals will run if you shoot at them. Even if you miss. n/t |
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sylvi
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
70. Is all that acumen |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. From my direct experience |
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oneshooter
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Fri Mar-25-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
113. She apparently watches a lot of movies and television. Real good experience! n/t |
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gejohnston
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
106. where did you see that? |
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Tejas
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. "WHY in hell would I want to pump 31 rounds into a single person?" |
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sylvi
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
71. That doesn't answer the question. nt |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
80. The trained police you refer to so much also often take a full mag to deal with a situation. |
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Ter
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Fri Jan-28-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
104. Don't be silly |
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Blue-Jay
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. What if THIRTY intruders break into your house? |
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Tejas
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. "Ever heard of a shotgun?" 30 intruders > 8 + 1 in Chicago |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Lulz. |
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Euromutt
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #46 |
83. "You barely even need to aim [a shotgun]"? |
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krispos42
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
26. "World's Wildest Police Videos" has had quite a few videos of that scenario |
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Ruby the Liberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. I would like to know where 10 came from as well |
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krispos42
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Nope. |
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RamboLiberal
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. No it is not |
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TheKentuckian
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
30. Unrec, you'll be asking the same question incrementally until everyone is Barny Fife or disarmed |
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RamboLiberal
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
31. Because bad guys are not always stopped with 10 rounds |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
82. DAMN. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
36. If you get it down to ten you'll start bitching for five. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
45. I proved it to myself just a couple weeks ago. |
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RamboLiberal
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Cho at Virginia Tech used mostly 10 round magazines |
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Kaleva
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. There was no federal ban on high capacity magazines |
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one-eyed fat man
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. The loophole of lies. |
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benEzra
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. You're wrong on at least two points. |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
84. Unfortunately, |
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PavePusher
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Fri Mar-25-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
114. Your post seems to imply that large-capacity magazines were not in Citizen possesion... |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Up until recent years, a 5 shooter was a common gun for defense. Now they aren't macho enough to |
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RamboLiberal
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. False |
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guitar man
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I carry my 1911 a lot |
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Hoyt
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. There was the 38 special until marketers found gun toters like sexy "assault" weapons. |
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AtheistCrusader
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
103. Wrong again. |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Still Phelpsing gun owners, I see.... |
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east texas lib
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. He must be out of penis and race cards nt |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. Not quite. See post #65 n/t |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. And that reminds me- Add the "Uncle Ruckus" to this thread: |
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oneshooter
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. I often carry a 4 1/2" Colt SAA in 45colt. I built a IWB holster for it. Very comfortable. n/t |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. A man after my own heart |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
85. Bullshit. |
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Tue Mar-29-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
139. I wouldn't carry a 5 shot revolver |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
86. Ummm, just when were 5-shooters common *primary* weapons rather than backups? |
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Katya Mullethov
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. One of histories most infamous " little men " |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. You must be a young'un |
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RamboLiberal
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. They are primary weapons for a lot of CCW holders |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Oh, agreed. Full-sized guns and 30-round carbines are primarily kept |
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YllwFvr
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Fri Mar-25-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
128. always carry full sized myself |
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gejohnston
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Sun Mar-27-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #86 |
131. Back in the day |
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Marengo
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Mon Mar-28-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
136. LOL! Just like the single-shot wasn't "macho" enough for those who chose revolvers? |
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Katya Mullethov
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
59. When pushed Harry Beckwith could rock and roll |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. The S&W 76 has an interesting history. |
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krispos42
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
64. Seems to me than finding a police report where an intended victim |
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Hoopla Phil
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
67. Ask the shop keepers during the King riots. |
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PavePusher
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
69. Try here: |
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rl6214
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Sun Mar-27-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
133. +1000 |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
75. The military. |
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Euromutt
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
87. Why only those two options, 30 or 10? That's a false dichotomy |
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rrneck
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. There y'go. +1000 |
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Katya Mullethov
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
88. How about 105 rounds in three minutes ? |
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Katya Mullethov
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Correction -- 105 rounds in two minutes |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
95. I'm sure many police officers have been saved. |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. The impetus for issuing police officers over-10-round pistols |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
99. What about the fact that STANDARD pistol mag sizes usually range from 12-18 rounds? |
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cliffordu
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
107. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME - THIS IS NOT A CALL OUT. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #107 |
124. what? |
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guardian
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Fri Mar-25-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
120. This my idea of idea home defense with a high capacity magazine |
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Glassunion
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Fri Mar-25-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Does the Marine come with it? |
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Kennah
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Fri Mar-25-11 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
129. Military, Cops, or Private Citizens? |
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Kennah
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Fri Mar-25-11 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
130. I carry a Glock 23, two spare 13-round mags, and 40 rounds of ammunition |
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134. How about Rosie O'Donnell prove that HER armed security |
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