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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:10 AM Original message |
Is there any doubt that Dick Cheney is an opportunistic piece of shit? |
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mrbscott19
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. gotta start somewhere |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And where does it end? (n/t) |
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HubertHeaver
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It ends with single-shot manual reload. Just a slight modernization |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. self-delete |
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Vinnie From Indy
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Cheney's a douchebag for sure, but I am alright with debating |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I guess what gets me though... |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. perhaps not prevent totally, but might limit mass shootings |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. How? The two worst mass shootings in U.S. history used nonextended magazines, |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I guess the Boston Globe is also confused about the debate |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. They are, but not why you think. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. reality is that he did have problems when changing magazines |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. You're still assuming he'd have had a problem swapping out a smaller regular-capacity magazine. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. what we don't have to "what if" is that he was stopped when changing magazines. |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. So, Dan, are you saying that THIS single incedent proves the point? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. it proves to me, and many others, that it is past time to look |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. A SINGLE incident is all that is required for you then? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. makes sense to me to apply it here |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Does it? |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #83 |
91. funny - I don't seem to be alone in this thinking - lots of good company |
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LAGC
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. What if a majority said they wanted to ban more Muslims from entering the country? |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. just because there are a lot of folks supporting stronger gun legislation does |
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cleanhippie
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Yeah, argmentum ad populum is a fallacy too. |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. yep - you can see it in action on the many threads here |
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cleanhippie
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Fri Jan-28-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. For sure, many times in your own posts. |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Fri Jan-28-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. So, would you be OK with Wyoming banning same-sex marriage... |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. did I say that? If so, please share where I did - otherwise I |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You're not talking about banning extended magazines, you're talking about banning STANDARD magazines |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. and the part you choose to miss is that the Tucson shooter was stopped |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. He planned his tactics as if he would never run out. The VT and Luby's shooters, |
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PavePusher
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Sorry, but one data point is not a trend. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. not in the minds of those contemplating legislation |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Just like the Patriot Act. |
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PavePusher
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. So, legislation based on "terra, terra, terra" is O.K. when it's your pet ox? n/t |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Nothing new about that with Prohis. Some explicitly support a blacklist |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. How do you respond to the fact |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. it would have stopped the Tucson shooter in many minds |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You can't count on incompetent idiots dropping their magazine when they stop to reload. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. but it did help in Tucson - fact |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Isn't the goal to prevent future tragedies though? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. one thing we do know - he did not have any problems with the first 30 |
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pipoman
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. He didn't? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. ok - then we need legislation calling for broken springs in ALL magazines |
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pipoman
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That is one of the fragilities of those long mags, IIRC |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. sounds reasonable - at least a start |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. And what would the end be, in your own words? Please be specific. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. a step toward a safer environment |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Fri Jan-28-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #75 |
101. We could also do that by eliminating the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. I occasionally carry a CZ 2075 |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. oh good Lord - the legislation is in the discussion phase |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. So if I want to will my guns to my kids |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I have no doubt - I recognize the obsession with guns |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. And what "rights surrounding the safety of others" would those be? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. "Right to LIFE . . . . " - you know, our unalienable rights |
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PavePusher
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. As long as my pistol stays in it's holster, you are not at risk. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. give the tired insults a break |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
66. ...or given away, or bequeathed to heirs. It bans *all* transfers, not just sales |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I have only read sales - I am sure you are more versed in the various |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. The Library of Congress has the text of any bill introduced in Congress |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 04:51 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. thank you - I don't see any issue there |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Fri Jan-28-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. Ah, but do enough voters agree with you so that it might become law? |
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pipoman
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
89. You're right... |
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RSillsbee
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. How about we scrap the whole idea |
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lepus
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. I heard a bit different. |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. Wow, you really ARE just ignoring everything you don;t want to hear, aren't you? |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. "in many minds." |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. equivalent |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. HAHAHAHA. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. so you are suggesting that the higher capacity magazine had nothing, |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. What I am saying is that getting 32 rounds off with 2 or 3 mags is no more difficult. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. of course it is - the fact is he was stopped when he had to change magazines |
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Callisto32
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Fri Jan-28-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
99. No, breaking into peoples houses to see if they have such magazines and confiscating them |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. The tucson shooter wasn't shooting in many minds |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. it did slow him down , though - didn't it |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. What slowed him down seems to be fumbling with the exact same *big ol' mag(tm)* you want to ban. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. so if he fumbled with a "small ol' mag(tm)*", perhaps fewer would have died |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. why do you overlook your own words? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. what is not speculation is that he was stopped when changing magazines |
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RSillsbee
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. So, what will you do when the crimes continue? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. people continue to run stop signs, speed, cheat on taxes |
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LAGC
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yeah, but gun laws primarily target the law-abiding. |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. This is the problem. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. sho said anything about taking away guns |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Gimme a break.... |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. have I suggested it? |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You are beating the drum. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. there may be multiple bands - I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth |
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beevul
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. Denounce them then. N/T |
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one-eyed fat man
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. In many minds |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. "would have stayed home . . . " - and exactly who suggested that |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
69. But not necessarily in reality....so why the push? |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. ahhh - but it was reality - now wasn't it |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Perhaps, in a SINGLE case, but it is the exception, not the rule. |
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DrDan
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. tell the injured and the relatives of the dead that "it is NOT reality" |
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cleanhippie
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Perfect example of being unable to rationally support your argument: appeal to emotion. |
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PavePusher
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Perhaps you should consider the words of John Green... |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 06:56 AM Response to Reply #88 |
98. "vile"??? Why the vitriol? Do you really have that hard a time in allowing others |
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PavePusher
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Fri Jan-28-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. I am saying that you do not get to use this mans tradgedy to push |
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DrDan
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Fri Jan-28-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. self delete |
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Callisto32
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
13. Was there ever any doubt? |
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pipoman
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. I think this is cheney egging on |
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benEzra
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Thu Jan-27-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Just like Gingrich did in 1994. (n/t) |
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beevul
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Thu Jan-27-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Yep. Please Ben... |
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DonP
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. I'm kind of stunned at the people that all of a sudden think Cheney has a point |
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Thu Jan-27-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. Good choice of cartoon frame. Here's another applicable one. |
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Atypical Liberal
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
61. He's just a piece of shit. |
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Francis Marion
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Fri Jan-28-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
90. Elitist Republican Fudd |
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