Compromise from a pro-2A advocate: Ban 30 round clips

[shadowrider]

As long as they specify clips in all news releases, press releases, press conferences and put that word into into all legislation.

THAT is a compromise I could live with.

Pro-2A advocates, please respond with "agree" or "disagree", nothing more.

What about everyone else?

[guitar man]

1. I'm for it!

;)

[PoliticAverse]

2. ...

[Hangingon]

3. I've thought about it and it sounds very reasonable.

[krispos42]

4. *snort*

:rofl:


Okay, I can agree with that! O8)

[Recursion]

5. But then how will...

...I load my 30 round magazine?

[krispos42]

6. Carefully? n/t

[Recursion]

7. One round at a time? Like the cavemen!?!

[old mark]

8. Actually, Glock factory mags are typically 15-17 rounds in 9mm...the 30 round

Glock mag is an aftermarket extension, AFAIK, such as this:

http://www.topglock.com/item/189282___Super_V_Magazine_Extensio.aspx


I really don't see much advantage to carrying a huge extended mag when you can drop an empty magazine from the pistol and replace it with a fully loaded spare in around 3 seconds.
Many of these "novelty" trick magazine things are not very reliable anyway.


Ban away-it's all just idle chatter.

mark

[Hoyt]

29. Maybe Glock ought to design a 7 shot, or so, mag.

Then, that can be called a "federally approved mag." Then, anyone that wants a larger one must agree to in-depth psychological assessment. The presumption, of course, would be that anyone who wants more than a 7 shot mag is thinking about some things in ways that are out there, so to speak.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. Agree.

[lawodevolution]

10. Dohh no more 30 round M1 garand clips?

[chibajoe]

11. Finally, a gun related ban I can agree with.

I thin we should ban the high velocity clips as well.

[ileus]

12. Agree 100% I'll convert my SKS

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. An excellent idea! They should add a ban of shoulder things that go up.

Again, as long as that specific language is used....

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Pistol or rifles and pistol?

[shadowrider]

18. Yes n/t

[benEzra]

15. Yeah, I don't own any 30-round clips.

:toast:

[RSillsbee]

17. I think I still have some 20 round

stripper clips from the Army I'll give those up

[AtheistCrusader]

16. Agree.

All mine only hold 5.

[flamin lib]

19. argumentum minutia

English is a dynamic language and new meanings are assigned to old words as well as new words created almost weekly. "Clip" has come to be synonymous with the more technical term "magazine". To hang an argument on this is, at best, silly and at worst damaging to the discussion as people look at the post and say, "That's just nukin' futz."

[shadowrider]

21. They are not synonymous.

I'm suggesting and support a ban on 30 rd. clips.

[beevul]

22. If the usual suspects can't be bothered...

"English is a dynamic language and new meanings are assigned to old words as well as new words created almost weekly. "Clip" has come to be synonymous with the more technical term "magazine". To hang an argument on this is, at best, silly and at worst damaging to the discussion as people look at the post and say, "That's just nukin' futz."


If the usual suspects can't be bothered to know what they're talking about, using it against them is a perfectly legit tactic.

Now, you can make the argument that clip is synonymous with magazine, but you are wrong.


Its just like pointing at your computer and calling it your "cpu"

Calling it one, does not make it one.

Techical terms are technical terms.

To suggest otherwise, is to lend support to the idea that ignorance on the part of ones opponent can not be used against them.

[flamin lib]

23. Nit pickers can live in their own little world of technicalities and

someday wake up in the world that real people do.

Technically speaking your semi-automatic is really self loading not to be confused with repeating. Those terms went the way of the difference between clips and magazines a long time ago.

It's fun to play on words to a friendly crowd but foolish in the extreme when dealing with those who can pass laws that you oppose.

This battle cannot be won and the larger war damn sure won't be won by hunkering down and arguing tiny points of verbiage. It's a popular tactic here but really a pitiful excuse for dialog.

The whole attitude of 'I'm more technically astute than you therefore my opinion is superior' or 'You have a typo in your subject line so you are too stupid to make a point in this forum' needs to go away if honest discussion is to be possible.

The "usual suspects" know full well who they are.

[beevul]

25. its not nitpicking.

"It's fun to play on words to a friendly crowd but foolish in the extreme when dealing with those who can pass laws that you oppose."

Those who make laws, are required to define in the law exactly what words mean. Without those definitions, laws either mean nothing, or they overreach.

"The whole attitude of 'I'm more technically astute than you therefore my opinion is superior' or 'You have a typo in your subject line so you are too stupid to make a point in this forum' needs to go away if honest discussion is to be possible."

Thats a perception. The attitutde you speak of, I mean. Discussion of technical subjects is IMPOSSIBLE without understanding the meanings of technical words associated with it.

"Those terms went the way of the difference between clips and magazines a long time ago."

The problem with that line of reasoning, is that a "clip" and a "magazine" are in fact two completely different things.



A "clip" is in fact used to load a magazine. A clip is NOT a magazine.

Like I said, its like being in a discussion about computers, and someone points to their computer and calls it their "cpu".

This is a CPU:



This is a computer:




While they may be related, one is not the other. The exact same thing applies to "magazine" and "clip".

Arguing that such things aren't different, or that such differences do not matter, or that people who don't know the difference between the two have an opinion of even minimum value in the discussion, is an appeal for ignorance to be tolerated, even encouraged, within a discussion.

How can any honest factual discussion be had when ignorance is tolerated, even encouraged, within it? In no other topic is such a thing encouraged, why should the topic of guns or gun control be any different?

No honest discussion can or will be had under such conditions, for one is not possible. Its suggesting a discussion is possible with people who do not know what they're talking about.

[flamin lib]

27. Okay, so henceforth we must only speak of self loading firearms

because it is the original terminology applied to what we currently refer to as semi-automatic.

Fight the battle all you like, lose the war.

on edit: I know the technical difference between what you call a clip and a magazine. The clip is technically a speed loader.

[beevul]

20. Agree. And a lovejoy for good measure.

[Hoyt]

24. I'd love to see what your legal costs run if your only defense is "it's a magazine not a clip."

Have fun with that defense.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Still trying to raise a Ruckus in the Gungeon, eh? n/t

[Hoyt]

28. Yep, an unarmed ruckus with folks who see their guns as part of them.

I've just known so many Gungeon type "friends," that I know almost exactly what is going to come next.

[RSillsbee]

30. I don't think it's going to be an issue

Because the first thing the Rethug government that the restrictionists are going to drive to power will do is repeal it.

Then they'll realy get to work, Starting new wars, getting rid of healthcare

Yeah, you just keep doin' what you're doin'

[Hoyt]

31. So, your love of your guns is so great you'd switch to the right wing?

. . . . . . Because you couldn't carry a gun into Chuck E Cheeze?

[RSillsbee]

32. please quote where I said that ?

While we're at it let's talk about your non progressive attitudes re: equal protection under the law

[Hoyt]

34. See Post #24. Pretty clear to me, but the word by word pointy finger readers might disagree.

My friend, people can't change their ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc., but packing a gun in public is way different. . . . . . it is a choice, and a bad one for society.

[Francis Marion]

33. Agree!!

agree!!!!! Dam**d clips!

[rl6214]

35. Nope

Just opening the door just a crack.