How easy is it to buy a gun in AZ? (undercover video)

[wtmusic]

"Just two weeks after the tragic shooting in Tucson, Arizona, private investigators went to a gun show in Phoenix, Arizona -- one of thousands of such shows that occur across the country every year -- to test two basic questions:

How easy is it to buy a gun without a background check?

* Answer: In a matter of minutes, an investigator purchased a Glock 9 millimeter and two high capacity magazines, similar to the weapon used by Jared Loughner, without background checks.

And, would unlicensed sellers sell guns to people who said they probably could not pass a background check?

* Answer: Yes. An undercover investigator purchased two 9 millimeter pistols from two different sellers, even after the investigator told the sellers that 'I probably couldn't pass a background check.'"



http://www.gunshowundercover.org/

[slackmaster]

1. People working for the mayor of NYC went to another state, lied, and bought guns illegally

They should be prosecuted, along with the fools who sold them guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

2. Unless, of course, they were Zonies and no crime was committed...

So this can only be one of two things:

A felony bought and paid for by the mayor of New York City, or a staged bit of political theater.

Which one is it?

[Hoyt]

10. It's what it is -- proof anyone can buy at a gun show. Time to crack down.

Blaming the "undercover' guys is like a murderer/thief/etc blaming those who turned him in to police.

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. Skipped right past those pesky (possible) multiple felonies, I see.

But they were committed for a good reason, and so are excusable, amirite?

You do have a disturbing willingness to overlook wrongdoing by authority figures when it comes to guns.

[X_Digger]

17. The whole 'ends justifies the means' schtick seems to fit, doesn't it? n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Anyone can buy out of the newspapers or a garage sale, or from a buddy at work too.

Same issue.

[YllwFvr]

20. you want to ban private sales

not the "gun show loophole"

[old mark]

5. They "bought guns" from a shop locally, according to the program,

but they were actually refused because they had no PA state identification or adress...but the truth did not stand in the way of Mayor Blumberg, till the charges against all but 1 of those gun shops were thrown out because they wre unsubstantiated...MANY gunshops routinely record all customers and transactions on video to prevent and defend themselves against just this type of government oppression and political bullshit.


mark

[krispos42]

3. Not much harder than buying a used TV set

1. Find seller with TV set
2. Hand over cash
3. Take TV set
4. Go home


Admittedly, I wouldn't have sold anything to a person that said "I probably couldn't pass a background check", but if the buyer had simply kept his mouth shut and conducted his business there would have been nothing to make this purchase anything special or noteworthy.



What is mildly amusing is that large numbers of gun-ignorant (not in a pejorative sense) people are discovering for the first time the decades-old status quo and are commencing to freak out about it.

[dmallind]

4. the sellers were foolish but not criminal.

Unlass you know the buyer is not allowed to own firearms private sellers have no responsibility AND NO AVENUE to run background checks. Same with out of state - unless you know, you do not need to refuse.

It's one of the stupid unintended consequences of the Brady bill. Only FFLs have the ability to use the NICS database. Without a FFL# they will get no answer.

Would I personally sell to someone who said they "probably" could not pass? No - but there is no way I would be able to know for sure I should not unless I personally know them to be ineligible.

That's the law - and it has nothing at all to do with gun shows. I have never been to one. I have sold 8-10 guns (all with state ID and handgun permit FWIW - but that was my choice)

[X_Digger]

7. I believe the rule is 'know or have reason to believe'-- which explains the mealy-mouthed dialog

They don't come right out and claim to be a prohibited person- because nobody would sell to them, and Bloomie's PR stunt money would be wasted.

No, they have to finesse the language into a good ol boy joke- and then try to claim that it proves something.

[dmallind]

8. Correct AFAIK - and doubtless as Bloomberg knows and intended.

"I would probably fail a check" = easy to assess as simply a nervous or inexperienced buyer unfamiliar with NICS

"I am a felon with unexpurgated convictions who spent ten years committed in an asylum" = no legal sale

Refusing a sale in case 1 is optional and they deliberately set out to sell it as criminal to people who don't know better.

Personally I wish they would open NICS to private sellers and mandate its use in private sales - would remove any concern over selling guns, but that's what it would take.

[Hoyt]

11. Most sellers at a gun show don't care and simply hide behind "I did no know."

Meeting the literal requirements of the law is not always enough.

[slackmaster]

12. I love it when people just make stuff up and post it as established fact

:rofl:

[dmallind]

13. How are sellers at gun shows different and how do we know?

I've bought and sold quite a few with 100% compliance to the spirit of the law. Is that just luck or does the location cause venality? What's your experience and sample size that causes you to conclude as stated?

[DonP]

14. That's based on your extensive gun show sales experience I assume?

How many guns have you bought or sold at gun shows and in which states?

Or are you going by the "Bloomberg/Helmke for President" bumper stickers you've read?

You sound like my Sister and BIL.

They KNOW for a fact that anybody, even a minor can buy a gun and you can buy a kit to make any gun a machine gun for $20 at most gun shows, but they keep those mysterious kits under the counter and out of sight. Of course neither of them has ever been to a gun show in their lives and my sister hasn't fired a gun since she was 13, she's 57 now. But they KNOW what it's like.

[RSillsbee]

15. Cite please NT

[lawodevolution]

6. How easy is it to vote or blog in arizona

[Atypical Liberal]

9. Nothing out of the ordinary.

So in the first video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv2u7l8rKrQ&feature=player_embedded

Nothing out of the ordinary or nefarious happens. Agent buys a firearm from a private individual at a gun show for cash. Could have done the same thing by opening up the local Penny Saver classifieds. He then buys an extended magazine for cash. Nothing odd about any of that.

In these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jZupCp0q1M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkBKRxSrCzU&feature=player_embedded

The sellers have broken the law in selling the firearm to someone they have reason to believe would not pass a background check (by the buyer's admission). However, it is important to note here that this is not a gun show phenomenon. This could happen at any private sale.

I support background checks for all firearm sales as long as firearm ownership anonymity is preserved.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

19. Just as easy as it is in about 40-some other states?

In my home state, I can buy a pistol or rifle and (with no permit or licensing) carry that loaded firearm around.

Go ahead, keep using that tradjedy as your soapbox... it's classy, really it is.