CNN - 1 dead,11 injured in Youngstown Ohio shooting.

[Swede]

On an off campus building.


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[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Oh how sad.

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[malaise]

3. Pray and fill the square with flowers

Don't you dare tread on the NRA :sarcasm:

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[Thrustin]

5. Why is sarcasm bleeding?

??

[lunatica]

7. It's dripping, as in 'dripping sarcasm'

Used in a sentence it reads like this, "His words were dripping with sarcasm."

[Thrustin]

24. Got it. It looks like blood though.

[Capitalocracy]

40. I always thought so too

If it was blue or green or yellow, I might have gotten the "dripping" thing. But it's red, and I thought of blood.

Maybe there's something wrong with me. Too much video games? Don't ever give me a gun license!

[blondeatlast]

8. DRIPPING, as in, dripping with sarcasm. nt

[uppityperson]

10. do nothing about the cause but feel sad afterwards?

[malaise]

29. Ding ding we have a winner

And don't forget the candles and cards :D

[aikoaiko]

100. Yes, the cause which is most often mental illness and/or poverty that motivates the violence.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant is it? Or is it? Hard to tell sometimes.

[aikoaiko]

99. This is why gun control advocates have failed for the last 15 years -- you think its about the NRA.

It is not. It is about what the voters want.

It isn't the NRA that President Obama fears -- its the millions upon millions of people he saw buy guns and ammo in anticipation of his promised gun control legislation. Those millions who were spending hard earned money on guns and ammo during a recession were clearly motivated voters who would protect their interests at the ballot box. And they still are.

[SteveM]

157. And the buzzards swoop in at first blood.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. That inoculating sarcasm tag.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. A friend of mine met with her congressman just yesterday

He said even if the president is shot down, we aren't going to be able to change gun laws. The NRA is that powerful.

[-..__...]

9. Your friends congressman speaks the truth.

I just hope he's wise enough to follow the NRA's advice and input.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. The NRA hates him

It's a largely urban district that voted no on concealed carry - while he was mayor. He's in favor of tighter gun control as that is what his constituents want.

[blondeatlast]

18. Good! Where do I send a donation?! nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Here

http://www.emanuelcleaver.com/

[-..__...]

36. Here...

To make a contribution by mail please make check payable to NRA-ILA, and send it to:

NRA-ILA
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030

[blondeatlast]

38. Pfft.

You're adorable, you really are.

[friendly_iconoclast]

92. So how has concealed carry worked out in his district? Any blood in the streets?

From the concealed carriers, that is.

[friendly_iconoclast]

169. Two days later and no answer. I'm guessing there's little, if any blood in the streets*.

*From the legal CC folks, that is...

[blondeatlast]

13. Even if the president is shot down? Really?

Fuck the NRA. Good gun owners reject them; I know several that do and favor strict registration and ownership laws.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. That's what he said

[blondeatlast]

17. Was replying to the Morse code.

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. LOL!!

[-..__...]

37. Uhmmm, yeah... really.

Why would the death of a President, have more importance than the death of any other American citizen?

[blondeatlast]

39. You're adorable. nt

[Katya Mullethov]

90. And why is the maiming of a politician

More note worthy than the killing of a cop ?

I figured Brian Terry rated a couple of days worth of 24/7 news coverage .

[Paladin]

30. Even Gun God Dick Cheney Has Gone Public Against High-Cap Magazines.

For support of such things, you now have to stoop to relying upon the likes of Ann Coulter. Just think of what that says about the present-day gun rights movement in this country. I hope you and the NRA are happy with one another. Please stay away from my neighborhood.....

[-..__...]

41. Fuck Cheney...

and Coulter too.

As if I need their (or anyone else for that matter), advice and/or opinion on gun control matters?

I do quite well on my own... thank you.

[Upton]

42. The NRA regularly endorses Democrats..

63 these past midterms, who voice support for the 2nd Amendment.

[pipoman]

95. yeah, right...

[friendly_iconoclast]

96. Anybody else you want out of "your" neighborhood? Please elaborate.

[X_Digger]

102. Ooh, a double association fallacy..

A backwards association followed by a forward one.

High technical difficulty and a great performance. Judges?

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[rl6214]

129. Who said

this was a hi cap mag involved in shooting?

[SteveM]

158. You seem happy with the NRA... keeping that kettle boiling, I see. nt

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[jpak]

83. The NRA sucks

yup

[SteveM]

159. There's that giant sucking sound again. yup. pu

[malaise]

11. If Congress won't change laws when one of their own is shot

Don't expect change for the President

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Very true.

[blondeatlast]

16. even the great God Reagan prostrated himself for the wacky gun lobby

after he and Brady were shot.

[The Doctor.]

20. Even Peter King tried. And he's R-Douchbag extraodinaire.

[The Doctor.]

19. If there's a law that would reasonably prevent this sort of thing, I'm all for it.

It always seems to be more a problem of communication and enforcement.

I can't see any reason that all gun buyers should be background checked for mental illness and violent crimes. There is very little other criteria that would be reasonable.

[hlthe2b]

27. You don't believe in background checking for mental illness

or violent crimes. Really? We should not deny ANYONE from having access to a gun... Really? :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

64. Oh... Sorry, that was actually a typo.

It was supposed to have 'n't' on the end.

[hlthe2b]

85. thanks for coming back and correcting the impression. n/t

[The Doctor.]

98. Was it that easy to believe I'm insane?

Well... now that I think about it.

:silly:

[hlthe2b]

101. re:

Well, I don't know if you are a Physician or other type of "Doc," but regardless, I guess I can no longer assume viewpoints, even among the health care profession. Given we have Cornyn, the OB/GYN and Paul, the ("self-board certified") ophthalmologist, and John Barrasso, the "anti-health care extraordinaire--more guns, please" family practitioner from WY, serving in DC, I guess it might no longer be certain that a physician or other health care provider would not have rather extreme views on guns and gun control. Still hard for me to fathom, for sure. :shrug:

[virginia mountainman]

119. LOL, My wife, is a SUPERVISOR at her hospital..

When she is on the floor, she is OVER ALL THE STAFF, except the doctors...

She Carries a Kimber 1911 .45 in a special day planer when she is at work.

She, and a few other of the Nursing staff do as well.

Last year during a meeting, the management wanted to post "no guns" signs at the hospital, she and about a 1/4 of the staff VEHEMENTLY voiced extreme opposition to that. Pointing out that if someone is hell bent on murder and mayhem, a sign will not do ANYTHING to protect the staff and patients.

And that by posting the sign, they would force those that would do no harm, to disarm.

They basically told management that if they did, they would be taking on SOLE responsibility for their personal safety, and they would be expected to PROVIDE armed guards at all times, and for those guards to also be responsible for walking staff to their cars late at night. The community the hospital is located in, has a BAD drug problem. Personal safety is paramount.

Until management agrees to do that, they where not even interested in talking about it.

My wife, and several other nurses, pointed out that if the signs went up, they would post notices, since they where no longer protected in their workplace.

Management was speechless at the reaction of the staff, and INSTANTLY relented.. No change was made to the policy!!

LOL side note to this, my wife tonight is purchasing a S&W pistol from ANOTHER nurse. Of course this transaction will not occur on hospital property, as "concealed" means just that. They will be meeting for breakfast at her friends house, and that legal transaction will occur their.

[hlthe2b]

120. How silly.. You TOTALLY miss the point...

No one is suggesting physicians and health care providers don't own guns. I am suggesting that those who are interested in public health, which includes most health care providers typically would support some reasonable measures to make them safer and less likely to be used for mass murder.

Yet, you seem to have jumped to a ridiculous conclusion-- So many gun supporters seem to be on a hair trigger when it comes to gun issue, that they can't even reasonably discuss measures that aid current law enforcement or might prevent the mentally ill or violent felons from gaining access--nor anything related. And would conflate those proposed measures with being absolutely anti-gun. That conflation is not only wrong, but really is turning moderate gun owners against your cause and the NRA.

[virginia mountainman]

122. Your missing the point...

My wife who is a health care professional, not to mention MOST of her colleagues. Don't view guns as a "public health issue" to them, it is simply a tool, that is used for self protection, and as a side hobby (target shooting, hunting, collecting). My wife and I, agree, that background checks can be made better, to catch the mentally ill, and felons. The laws doing this are already on the books.

When laws are proposed that limit HER access to magazines, or certain firearms that she already owns, you have just crossed a line....And now you can deal with an angry, voting, Nurse.

Actually, instead of passing more laws, why not actually TREAT the mentally ill?? And offer much better opportunities to young men and women so they don't become violent felons in the first place??

What "reasonable" measures do you propose? Understand that registration, and bans are WAYYYYY WAYYYYYYYY out of the question.

We have a hair trigger for good reason....Beeing on the defensive for over a decade will do that to anyone.

[hlthe2b]

127. whatever...

You responded to a post intended as a response to someone else. I likewise responded to you, but it seems clear that we will only talk past each other. You don't appear to have read what I actually wrote. Have a good evening.

[The Doctor.]

151. Well, I have mentioned before

that I'm not a physician/MD. But, regardless of my field, I can still say that I both despise and respect guns. I fully understand the horrible things they are designed to do to the elegant and well-ordered system of the human body. In that, I am not a big fan.

However, I have always made a point to study anything that should be taken very seriously. I have had a great deal of sword, HtH, and other types of training. I decided that knowing how to use guns would be part of that. The ability to project force is very seductive and empowering. It really is not unlike a drug for many people. I've felt it, but being poignantly aware of it helps me keep perspective. I became good enough, and have a decent enough background, that I am confident I can handle being in a firefight if I have to be. It's one of the last things I want, however.

I am aware that I pursued the various forms of training out of a general and common sense of insecurity. I became quite good, but I have no illusions of being some kind of action hero (especially pushing 40). I know that the best way to avoid harm is to avoid situations, consciously or unconsciously, rather than try to prepare for nearly every damn thing that could happen.

Having a general dislike for what guns do, while being generally comfortable around them gives me, I believe, a more balanced perspective. I know very well that ours is a culture steeped in guns. I know that guns are used for defensive purposes in about half million instances per year or more. I would rather know practical ways to reduce gun violence than passing useless legislation that keeps people with a real need for protection from obtaining them. If I could wave a wand and eliminate all guns on Earth, I might very well do it... I'm pretty good with a sword after all. I've looked pretty hard at the issue, and I've concluded that there is no panacea. The thing that comes closest to a solution is widespread education and prosperity. Other than that, most of the common sense laws we have are sufficient, and I'm all for anything reasonable to reduce the number of firearms in the hands of criminals and the mentally disturbed so long as it does not restrict the access of responsible people.

That's pretty much my take on this whole mess.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I think it's perfectly reasonable to look very carefully at who is buying guns

[The Doctor.]

65. That was supposed to read 'Shouldn't'.

I reconstructed the sentence from another form and didn't fix that.

[Upton]

21. We don't need anymore gun laws

And you don't need to be an NRA member to support the Bill of Rights....many Democrats still do.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. No we don't need any laws preventing insane lunatics from owning guns

That of course means we all need guns - to protect us from the insane lunatics who shoot people like Cong Giffords.

:sarcasm:

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. As I said in another thread

Everybody should get a 9mm Beretta AND a Kevlar vest...

:sarcasm:

[Upton]

48. We have the right to self defense..

so if you're worried about "insane lunatics" attacking, may I suggest you do the responsible thing and be ready to protect yourself.

There are some situations where waving the gun control white flag of surrender isn't going to cut it..

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. IMO, the responsible thing is to not own a gun at all

No blood on my hands.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

57. And I can't relate to the paranoia necessary to feel you have to carry a gun

FYI, for 30+ years now, I drive every day into the urban core to work. Highest crime rate in the city. Yet never once have I wanted a gun or regretted not having one. Never once have I felt unsafe or threatened by bad guys.

And if anyone could justify carrying a gun around, I could.

But then I'm not paranoid and I don't surf the net for crime stories in an attempt to frighten people.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

78. You're going to have to show me where I said you can't carry guns

Cause I don't see it.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

91. Comprehension. Not the same as assumption.

I have only said insane lunatics should not have guns. So unless you are an insane lunatic, carry to your heart's content.

But if you ever want to come into MY house or ride in MY car, I would ask that your gun not come with you.

Perfectly reasonable stance, IMO. We should both be happy.

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[ManiacJoe]

68. Where is this paranoia you speak of?

You have done your risk analysis and determined that your risk of becoming a victim of crime is very low. Gun owners have done the same analysis and come to the same conclusion of low individual risk.

You have chosen to play the odds and do nothing to increase your odds of surviving an unlikely crime. Gun owners choose to put in a small amount of effort to improve their odds of surviving a unlikely crime, knowing there are no guarantees of survival.

You have chosen to hope that life does not show you were unprepared. Gun owners are hoping that life will show them to be over prepared.

Being prepared for unlikely events is not being paranoid.

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. If the risk is really that low, then why carry a gun?

I also am at risk for being struck by a car when I cross the street but I still cross streets.

I'm at risk for being hit by another car every time I drive yet I continue to drive.

Then there's food poisoning every time I eat, yet I continue to eat.

As far as being prepared, there were several gun owners in the crowd the day Giffords was shot. Yet not one pulled his/her gun and shot Loughner. How prepared were they? I can make the argument that I am more prepared for a car accident when I fasten my seatbelt than any of them were prepared to shoot a bad guy that Saturday morning in Arizona. Not exactly over-prepared, now were they?

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[shadowrider]

88. Get used to it. You simply can't win with these people OTHER than

to see the states enacting more and more pro-2A legislation.

The more they scream, the more we win.

[ManiacJoe]

126. You seem to not fully understand statistics.

"Extremely low odds" means "still possible". You seem to be mistaking it for "impossible".

Crossing the street, I bet you look both ways and wait for the cars to stop. Better odds of surviving.

Driving, I bet you wear your seatbelt. Better odds of surviving the low probability accident.

Thank your immune system for your eating...

Assuming you are right about there being multiple carriers in the Giffords crowd (and I am not sure your are right), they were prepared. Why did they not shoot? You will need to ask them about their tactical decisions. Having a gun does not mean that shooting it is the correct option in every situation. No, they were not over-prepared, they were properly prepared at least as far as having the proper equipment goes.

[YllwFvr]

155. Then why look before you cross the street

Then why wear your seat belt?

Then why worry about food expiration dates?

There were no gun carriers there when the shooting took place. One arrived after it took place. Unless you know something I dont?

[SteveM]

161. I own guns, but I'm not paranoid. What happened?

[rl6214]

66. None on mine either

and I have owned guns for 35 years.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Unless one of them is stolen.

[rl6214]

130. All locked up or

on my person, can't be stolen.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

153. Not a viable alternative for some

The stalked, the poor living in bad neighborhoods with little police coverage, those of us out in the twigs (as in past the sticks), and others have a very legitimate need for effective self defense.

Those who deny it to them do indeed have innocent blood on their hands

[Callisto32]

82. No, it means it is already illegal to transfer a firearm to someone who is insane.

The problem is that the best point we have for determining that is "adjudicated" so.

Since it is already illegal to transfer a firearm to someone who is insane, the question, if indeed there is one at all, is whether or not a formal adjudication is the appropriate standard for determining sanity under the statute.

[one-eyed fat man]

128. Actually, there are laws

saying insane lunatics can't buy guns.

What you don't have is a law that says the family and friends of the insane lunatic should tell somebody about the nut-case.

After a shooting when every bastard third cousin is telling everyone they knew the "shooter" was crazy, etc etc etc.

Remember, some "friend" of Loughner's was on TV saying that as soon as he heard the news on the radio he "knew" who did it.

Nobody wants crazy lunatics to have guns and go around shooting people. That is why there have been laws saying lunatics should not have guns for a century. The shooting in was not a failure to control guns, it was a failure to control lunatics.

Unless you do something to ensure lunatics are "in the system" so that when a background check is done how is the system supposed to know?



Claire Voyante does not work for the FBI

[YllwFvr]

154. you mean we dont already have laws

that protect us from those things?

Perhaps if we had ONE more law, that will make the difference.

[SteveM]

160. Ah, that inoculation again: the sarcasm tag.

[malaise]

22. If Congress won't change laws when one of their own is shot

Don't expect change for the President

[SteveM]

162. The NRA is only the most effective lobby for some 75% of Americans...

who believe that the Second Amendment recognizes an individual right to keep and bear arms, a finding tracked by surveys since the late 1950s.

THAT is why the laws won't change, at least not significantly.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Emanuel Cleaver

MO 5th district

[RSillsbee]

93. The NRA is that powerful.

Or the number of gun owners who stand by the second amendment is

[spin]

147. That's a cop out ...

The NRA has 4 million members. The AARP has 40 million members.

The congressman is just painting the NRA as the bad guys when he knows damn well if he pushes gun control he'll get booted out of his comfortable office by his constituency. The voters who would show up at the polls to vote for his opponent would not all belong to the NRA but they would believe that draconian gun control is useless and foolish.

Do you seriously believe that the 4 million NRA members were able to change the Right to Carry law in ALL these states?



The NRA is a powerful organization because the voters believe that the NRA has the better approach to gun control laws than the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. The voters woke up to the simple fact that most gun control is an effort to make voters "feel good" about their elected officials and is worthless as it targets honest law abiding gun owners rather then the criminals and those with an extremely dangerous mental illness.

[mfcorey1]

44. Omega Psi Phi Fraternity. The national organization does such wonderful work with young men. This

is sad for that undergraduate group.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. More guns forveveryone!

:sarcasm:

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[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Alas WE ARE gun owners

but we realize there are a few people that should not have them.

Criminals, DUH

People who could hurt themselves of others for psychological reasons... DUH

And that the registry should be national and mandatory, and including a licence... DUH

That said, welcome to my ignore list.

I really do not subscribe to your religion... and it is a religion

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[proud2BlibKansan]

59. You have a dozen unregistered guns?

Isn't that illegal?

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[proud2BlibKansan]

76. I'm not imposing my ideas on anyone

I see you have trouble with comprehension.

[Katya Mullethov]

86. You certainly seem to have the idea

that the self defense crew is a band of fear mongering paranoid psychopaths prancing about muttering "hut..hut" . And that's cool .

[slackmaster]

67. Not illegal unless it's an NFA item or registration is required by state law

And it's unregistered.

Most firearms, including newly sold ones, are registered only in the form of the paperwork that gets filled out at the point of sale. A firearm can be traced using that information, because manufacturers and wholesalers (dealers at all levels) have to keep track of acquisitions and disposals.

Your mileage will vary depending on what state you are talking about.

[rl6214]

73. Really...registered...repeat after me,

guns do not have to be registered.

[oneshooter]

89. Thats nothing! I have over 200, inluding 50cal and 75 cal weapons

And NONE of them are registered.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[RSillsbee]

97. Registration of firearms is illegal in most states

As well as at the Federal level.

Colorado Law (as an example) specifically prohibits registration or firearms or compiling a database of firearms owners

[X_Digger]

117. No dear, only a tiny minority of states register guns.. Not even in KS n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

152. Not in many states

[YllwFvr]

156. who owns registered guns?

I dont register mine

[spin]

170. Even if I wanted to, there's no place to register them. (n/t)

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[KansasVoter]

45. Lets predict the NRA response.......

"If every student would have been armed, this could have ended peacefully!"

[ManiacJoe]

47. Highly unlikely scenario.

Reports have the police saying there were two shooters from the outside of the house.

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. Hell, there are DUers who respond that way

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[slackmaster]

72. Except for the facts that there are none and there never has been anyone saying that seriously

Whether the post was meant as sarcasm or not.

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[PavePusher]

113. Cite to evidence, please?

Your accusation: "If every student would have been armed, this could have ended peacefully!"


Your proof.....?

[KansasVoter]

114. Talking to gunnies a lot. They think more guns solve crime at every level.

[PavePusher]

116. So, nothing to cite to. Natch. n/t

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[cleanhippie]

139. Still making things up, I see.

[slackmaster]

141. You've been called on the carpet for that one before, KansasVoter

You failed to provide any examples to support it.

[SteveM]

165. Cites, please. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

94. Show us some, then. Put that donor star to use.

We'll wait.

[cleanhippie]

138. Only ones like yourself that make it up.

Where has that EVER been stated by a pro-2A Du'er? It hasn't.

[one-eyed fat man]

148. Yes, you and your fellow Kansan

One might almost suspect you both live under the same bridge.

[SteveM]

164. Cites, please. nt

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[KansasVoter]

56. Back to the gunnie forum for you!

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. +1

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[slackmaster]

70. No, only gun control advocates say that sort of thing

If you confront them with the fact that nobody ever makes such a suggestion seriously, the standard response is to accuse you of being incapable of detecting sarcasm.

Either way, it's nonsensical.

[cleanhippie]

137. FAIL. Thats YOUR response. No one but YOU ever states nonsense like that.

But hey, keep making shit up.

[spin]

149. And you are smart enough to know that's not true ...

Neither the NRA or the pro-RKBA poster here have ever recommended that everybody should own a gun.

[SteveM]

163. Let's predict YOUR response. Oh, wait, I think....we.... have...it....

[blondeatlast]

49. A tragedy that needn't happen. It's as simple as that. nt

[pinto]

63. Moving at poster's request.

:hi:

[shadowrider]

69. This shooting took place at what used to be the Sigma Chi House

They moved out, it's now a private residence rental.

Glad the media dropped the "it happened at a frat house" line.

That said, it's gang and/or drug related, betcha. (NOTE: For those unfamiliar with the North side of Youngstown, think South Side of Chicago (almost).

[ManiacJoe]

74. Police: two shooters on the outside of the house.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/feb/06/report-12-shot-1-dead-ysu-fraternity/

[shadowrider]

75. Yup. And I have no details OTHER than people were shot n/t

[Euromutt]

136. Apparently, now it's an Omega Psi Phi house

Or at least, inhabited by members of that fraternity. My college didn't allow fraternities, so I don't know if there's a distinction.

[Hoopla Phil]

77. more info coming out. 2 shooters that fired from outside into the house.

Some party goers were as young as 17. Six of the wounded were students. Looks like a mix of kids/young adults at a big party in a very shady part of town. Wonder if this will turn out to be some gang members that were kicked out of the party for not playing well with others and came back for some pay back.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/feb/06/report-12-shot-1-dead-ysu-fraternity/

[shadowrider]

79. I grew up there. The northside was my stomping ground (Heights St.)

at the frat house there. It wasn't very good 35 years ago, and it's way, way worse now.

See my #73

[Hoopla Phil]

104. Damn, did I call it or what????

A comment posted a half hour ago:
"From what I just heard at the YPD press conference, Mr. Johnson sounds like a hero to me. He had escorted several party goers out after their behavior got out of hand. Those escorted out came back with guns and opened fire on the party. Not sure if they targeted Mr. Johnson or not...but the YPD sure implied Mr. Johnson was the "peace keeper" for this event. Prayers and blessings to his family and friends."


http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/feb/06/report-12-shot-1-dead-ysu-fraternity/

[shadowrider]

108. Agreed and tragic for him and his family n/t

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[Hoopla Phil]

106. Your unfounded insult aside, I was right. Check out this comment posted

a half hour ago.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/feb/06/report-12-shot-1-dead-ysu-fraternity/

"From what I just heard at the YPD press conference, Mr. Johnson sounds like a hero to me. He had escorted several party goers out after their behavior got out of hand. Those escorted out came back with guns and opened fire on the party. Not sure if they targeted Mr. Johnson or not...but the YPD sure implied Mr. Johnson was the "peace keeper" for this event. Prayers and blessings to his family and friends."

[KansasVoter]

107. It amazes how easily people blame gang members with no proof at all.

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[Hoopla Phil]

110. It amazes me how people refuse to see reality.

[slackmaster]

134. Aw, come on KansasVoter. Two guys who get kicked out of a party, come back and shoot randomly.

That has "gang hit" written all over it.

Read this, and then try to say that the shooters weren't gang members.

http://www.examiner.com/trumbull-county-conservative-in-youngstown/university-murder-suspects-due-court

[cleanhippie]

140. it amazes us how you blame guns and gun owners with no proof at all.

Pot, meet kettle.

[SteveM]

166. It amazes how easily people blurt out stuff without cites. nt

[PavePusher]

111. Racism? Where?

The only person to mention such is... you.

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[PavePusher]

115. Why? Are you assuming that all gangs are of one race?

And which one would that be?

[lawodevolution]

118. You use bigoted terms and express hatred toward gun owners then you call someone racist.

Classic hypocrisy.

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[SteveM]

167. Oh, he was using the race card? No wonder. nt

[slackmaster]

132. You pegged it, Phil. Obvious gang members.

http://www.examiner.com/trumbull-county-conservative-in-youngstown/university-murder-suspects-due-court

[slackmaster]

131. Suspects due in court this morning - "Jones has a burglary conviction and was charged with felony...

...drug possession 3 times...."

Gang hit for sure.

...It's unfortunate that opportunistic anti-gun nuts are climbing out from under their rocks and using this tragedy in an attempt to further their ideology as they did with the Arizona shootings last month.

They fail to mention that Rogers was not legally able to own a handgun and Jones would not have been allowed had the Mahoning County Prosecutor's Office not dropped all of his felony drug charges. Neither were legal gun owners....

Continue reading on Examiner.com: University murder suspects due in court - Youngstown Trumbull County Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/trumbull-county-conservative-in-youngstown/university-murder-suspects-due-court#ixzz1DHeCpQKT

[shadowrider]

133. And the anti's jumped on this before the blood was dry, again

.

[beevul]

135. At least they're consistent. N/T

[Hoopla Phil]

143. Very shameful, but not unexpected. n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

142. Thanks for the update with the additional info.

When the first report came out IIRC it was only three paragraphs and missing LOTS of info. Because there wasn't enough info to form an educated opinion I held off from making a post. (While all the grave dancing was going on by the anti's) Finally when more info came out, and by reading some of the comments at the stories from those personally connected, the blanks slowly were filled in.

So often these cases turn out to be prohibited repeat offenders that were not in legal possession of a gun at all. What would another gun law have done? NOTHING. And what's more??? these tragic victims of violence will be added to the anti's list of children harmed by guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

144. And your interlocutors disappeared when inconvenient truth came to light

Typical.

[slackmaster]

145. I was going to post something about crickets chirping

:rofl:

[friendly_iconoclast]

150. Certain posters suddenly went silent when inconvenient truth came to light.

Another outbreak of factose intolerance. Nothing new or surprising about that.

[SteveM]

168. Puff! The magic dragon.

[Remmah2]

146. What's an "off campus building"?

My garage qualifies as an "off campus building" so does the local 7-11. Media writers are so strange.

[friendly_iconoclast]

171. Well, well, well! The NRA haters and gun Prohis seem to have vanished.

Funny, dat....

[Hoopla Phil]

172. Yeah it was a grand ol time grave dancing before the blood was dry

Then the facts of the incident came out.