High-Capacity Ammo Clips for Guns Save Lives

[RamboLiberal]

The writer is NRA but IMHO he makes good points.

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Why do honest Americans—private citizens and police alike—choose magazines that hold more than 10 rounds? Quite simply, they improve good people's odds in defensive situations. Contrary to what the public sees in the movies, criminals are not always stopped when struck by a single bullet, or even multiple shots. And one third of aggravated assaults and robberies involve more than one assailant, according to the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Ask yourself: How many rounds would you want to have on hand if you knew you were going to be attacked tomorrow, but didn't know how many attackers you'd face, whether they might be on drugs, or whether you'd have time to reload?

The earlier ban was proven a failure. A congressionally mandated study released in March 1997 found that the banned weapons and magazines "were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders." The study also "failed to produce any evidence that the ban reduced the number of victims per gun homicide incident" and found that "the average number of gunshot wounds per victim (about two) did not decrease" after the ban.

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Antigun activists ask, "Who needs these magazines?" Good Americans—police and private citizens—do. Good Americans must always be able to choose the tools that will give them the best chance of surviving in the worst situations.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/02/14/high-capacity-ammo-clips-for-guns-save-lives

Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia Why Congress Should Ban High-Volume Ammo Clips


Since Congress allowed the federal assault weapons ban to lapse in 2004, we've seen tragedy after tragedy as deranged killers unleashed deadly firepower, murdering dozens of innocents.

At Fort Hood, Texas, on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, and at a workplace shooting in Manchester, Conn., the killers all had weapons with large-capacity magazines. And then came Tucson last month. A 9-year-old girl and a federal judge were among six people killed. Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among the 13 injured.

We as a society will always confront evil in the heart and sickness in the mind. Bad people will do bad things, but we can and must take steps to deny these criminals the weapons of mass destruction that have ripped apart families across the country. While the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that Americans have a right to keep a gun in the home for self-defense, the court has also upheld laws prohibiting possession of guns by felons or the mentally ill.

President Obama has called for "common sense" regulation. Regulating magazine size is surely common sense. Large-capacity magazines can turn a semiautomatic pistol into a weapon of mass destruction, with some spitting out six shots per second. These are not a hunter's weapons. They are meant to hurt or kill as many people as quickly as possible. Only law enforcement and the military should have access to this kind of firepower.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/02/14/why-congress-should-ban-high-volume-ammo-clips

[shadowrider]

1. Lemme get this straight. If large capacity magazines are now considered

weapons of mass destruction, I guess we did find them in Iraq, contrary to others beliefs.

And here I though MWD's were chemical, biological or nuclear in nature.

Who knew?

[derby378]

13. Hollow metal/polymer box + steel spring = Sarin equivalent

Who woulda thunk it? :rofl:

[lawodevolution]

23. no high cap magazines are only WMD's when it is convenient to promote

their agenda, in iraq it isn't convenient so in iraq high cap magazines are not WMD's see, they can do that. When you are so inconsistent and delusional that you think the protests in egypt were a great success, it is perfectly acceptable to make those inconsistencies

[AndyTiedye]

2. They Need 30+ Bullets in the Magazine Because They Miss A Lot?

Too bad about whomever happens to be in the area of all those stray bullets.

[Glassunion]

4. What about the amount of bullets that ship standard with the firearm?

[Glassunion]

3. Here is the funny thing... I rarely carry more than 10 rounds(in my firearm)...

In the summer I use the standard 10 round magazine and it conceals nicely. In the winter I can get away with the +2 and still have it concealed.

But as I see it, I can see no positive effect on limiting the standard. If a firearm holds 19 rounds or if it holds 6, I cannot see the positive effect on the whole that it would have by limiting either.

My favorite loaded phrases from the article...

"The only purpose for the existence of these devices is to be able to shoot as many people as possible as quickly as possible."

"Since Congress allowed the federal assault weapons ban to lapse in 2004, we've seen tragedy after tragedy as deranged killers unleashed deadly firepower, murdering dozens of innocents."
He makes it sound as if through the sole act of the ban lapsing was somehow an emboldening process for the deranged... Nice!

"At Fort Hood, Texas, on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, and at a workplace shooting in Manchester, Conn., the killers all had weapons with large-capacity magazines."
By "large" he means standard.

"weapons of mass destruction that have ripped apart families across the country."
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction for a real description of WMD.

"Regulating magazine size is surely common sense. Large-capacity magazines can turn a semiautomatic pistol into a weapon of mass destruction, with some spitting out six shots per second."
WTF?!? Off the deep end on this one.

"These are not a hunter's weapons. They are meant to hurt or kill as many people as quickly as possible. Only law enforcement and the military should have access to this kind of firepower."
Ahh yes... The good ole "the right of the hunters to keep and bear arms group"... And the totalitarian view.. All in one sentence. Yay!

"This bill will not solve our nation's gun violence problems, but it will help, and in the long run, it will save lives."
Im still waiting for the study...

"Since May 2006, eight Philadelphia police officers have been killed in the line of duty, six by gunfire. One, Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, was felled by an assault weapon."
Notice how he fails to mention that the officer was killed by an ex-con(prosecuter refers to them as "chronic violent offenders") who had weapons charges but was released early, but instead was felled by an "assault weapon"? How did your gun laws keep this guy off the street? Newsflash: It did not.

"In an urban environment, weapons fitted out with large-capacity magazines are in fact weapons of mass destruction."
If you say it enough, it must be true... Especially if you preceed it with "IN FACT"... Right?

"Some will argue that the magazines are used in sporting competitions or are necessary for defensive purposes at home. The plain truth is that a magazine with 10 bullets, which the McCarthy bill would allow, is more firepower than our Founding Fathers might have imagined and more than enough to guard one's castle."
Still waiting on that study... Oh and thanks Mr Gubament for allowing me rights

"Beyond halting the ever-increasing arms buildup by bringing common sense back "
Keep saying it...

[Lint Head]

5. If you can't shoot one bullet and at least hit a target you should not own a gun.

[X_Digger]

6. So police shouldn't carry guns?

Their hit percentage in a confrontation is 35-40%.

[Glassunion]

9. Double negative.

If you can't shoot one bullet = gun never fired. Then yes, my gun is doing that right now.

and at least hit a target = not unless I throw the gun. So I won't.

you should not own a gun. = I do. I'm good yes?

I am going to take a stab in the dark and try to answer what I think you were stating...

If you cannot shoot one round from your gun and hit a target. You should not own a gun.
If that is what you were stating, I disagree. They would just need training. Lots.

I got 45 rounds out of a 2" barrel at 21feet in the 9 circle last trip to the range. Am I ok to own?

[Lint Head]

10. The double negative was intended.

[Glassunion]

11. K. Did I get the gist of your point and would I be okay to own?

[rl6214]

7. What a crock of shit

and full of outright lies.

"on the campus of Virginia Tech the killers all had weapons with large-capacity magazines"

Cho fired 170 rounds reloading 17 times. That means 17 ten round magazines. NOT HIGH CAPACITY



"Regulating magazine size is surely common sense. Large-capacity magazines can turn a semiautomatic pistol into a weapon of mass destruction, with some spitting out six shots per second."

WOW, six shots per second? That is just amazing, and a total lie. Can't physically happen.

[Glassunion]

8. I disagree. It can happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCellB_UQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Euromutt]

12. Fair point, but note the guy in the video is using a revolver

Hell, any weapon set up as a "race gun" can theoretically give you that kind of rate of fire, but how quickly you get rounds off has absolutely nothing to do with magazine capacity. This is a well known video of an IPSC contestant shooting the "El Presidente" drill in 3.02 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAnnK63PqF8
That's 2 x 6 rounds, and he's probably using a 1911 of some sort, so magazine capacity is unlikely to exceed 10 rounds (even in .38 Super).

[Glassunion]

14. Wow... Just... Wow...

[YllwFvr]

17. O.O wtf?

Ive seen a ton of amazing shoots, and that was def way up there. Mind. Blown.

[krispos42]

15. Yeah, but it's like equating a top-fuel racer with a Ford Fusion

Yeah, a car that goes 300+ miles per hour in six seconds exists, but using one as an example of laws to restrict regular cars is a bit OTT.

"Some cars can go over 300 miles per hour! We need sensible car laws, so we're going to ban spoilers and limit fuel tank size" sort of thing.

[Glassunion]

16. I know. Just putting to bed the "total lie" part.

Mayor Nutter is still full of shit. But it is not a "total lie", just an extreme stretch of reality.

[krispos42]

18. That guy is damn fast, though.

If Lougher had been that good he would have emptied the big magazines in 5 second flat. Hell, that's almost as fast as a BAR.

[Glassunion]

19. I can get about 40 rounds on target in 2 seconds..

But It would be throwing 2 handfulls of bullets instead of shooting them.

[krispos42]

20. LOL

Toss a brick of .22... 525 on target in one second!

[Glassunion]

22. Now that is a WMD

A Weapon that May Dent...

[AtheistCrusader]

21. I like how these people dancing in the blood of the Arizona shooting

never seem to offer any specifics about any victims other than Roll, Giffords, and Green. Were the other lives lost of no interest? Kind of speaks to the emotional nature of the plea, doesn't it?

[lawodevolution]

24. when you are an elitist who wants to restrict gun ownership to those little people it is ok

to ignore the little people involved in the tragedy you are exploiting for political gain.