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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:18 AM Original message |
Oppression of a civil right. Gun ownership minimal cost compared. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. Everything is more expensive in NYC than in Texas. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Mostly just rent, food is about the same and any product you can buy online is about the same |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. True, but I'm guessing that the OP's point is that the latter two entries (140 and 94) are fees |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Or an enforcement tax |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. They may frame it that way, but it's hardly a valid reason - why should people buying guns legally |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. To be precise |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's not strictly true - financial barriers intended to curtail the exercise of a right |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. No I do not agree |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What increased cost is the legal, regulation-following gun buyer inflicting on the social system? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. How many guns purchased by so-called law-abiding citizens eventually end up being used in a crime? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Blame the victim? |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Maybe if the fee was imposed after the fact |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
53. We can do the same with books, amIright? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No, I'm blaming those building an arsenal and promoting gun proliferation (especially in public). |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. And we grew tired of housing , feeding , and defending multirecidivist scum |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Enjoy your hunt. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Thanks , but we already got one this year |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. So people exercising their rights and enjoying a hobby are now selfish and evil |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. So building a weapons cache is your hobby. Come on. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Define a weapons cache. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. You are so glib with such terms, but never define them |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. No, you are blaming the victims of theft. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Again, I'm blaming the folks who keep buying . . and worse, promoting . . the dang things. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. More anti rights tripe... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Instead of the people COMMITTING CRIMES with the dang things. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
59. Brigands dont normally do what they're told |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
90. If they are building an arsenal then they would need a Federal license to do so. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
94. "No, I'm blaming those building an arsenal and promoting gun proliferation (especially in public)" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Define a bunch in terms with numbers in them |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
52. "A bunch." |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. $14.50 for a pack of cigarettes too. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. How is that fair? |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Criminals are charged after the fact |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. So you want to charge people up front in case they become victims of crime, and |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Unreasonable financial barriers to the excise of rights have been stuck down in the past |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. 300$ is unreasonable? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. It is if you are afraid for your life ane you don't have 300 bucks. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. Yes |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Really? Then why is enforcement so lax? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Are those fees actually going to that purpose? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. "The right to own guns is not affected by the costs associated with acquiring them in a legal sense" |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. That people who understand the venacular write the rules? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. That you think an imposed economic impediment does not affect the access to a Right. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
56. artificially increasing the cost of owning a gun is ABSOLUTELY A FORM OF OPPRESSION |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. "Infringement on rights was a good enough reason for the poll tax to be unconstitutional. N/T |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. I like that... how about a "Poll Tax" to cut down on Election Fraud? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Give us a break. "Poll tax" is totally different. Besides, Poll taxes were levied by gun toters. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Charging significant fees for acts excercising an enumerated civil right... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You have the problem if u think "guns in public" is equivalent to civil rights based upon ethnicity. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Owning and Bearing arms is a regognized and enumerated Civil Right. Period. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Deleted message |
ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
89. Why is it not an enumerated right? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. "...keep and bear..." |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. "Bear" with restrictions. Guns in public is still not equivalent to the real civil rights issues. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Bearing arms is a Real Civil Right. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. based on the constitution. "keep and bare arms" |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. With restrictions and then there is that "A well regulated militia" phrase. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. How does one |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You really don't get it. There are no real militias nowadays other than AFs - so turn in your guns. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. That doesn't answer the question. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. Still beating that dead horse? N/T |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
92. "well regulated militia" equals all able bodied men (and perhaps women) |
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Unrepentant Fenian (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Huh? |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. Wages are a helluva lot better in NY than TX, too. n/t |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. I paid excise tax and on my truck - it that liberal oppression too? |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. Only on civil rights. nt |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. does your mom know you're on an adult discussion forum? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
14. On second thought - they shuld raise Texas fees to NYC levels |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. So you want to spread the repressive classist and racist laws of NYC? How progressive of you |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Proliferation of guns is not "progressive." In fact, it is regressive. You guys crack me up. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. You have that backwards...private ownership of firearms is a progressive value |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Progressive things are to make society better. More guns ain't doing that. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Progressive is about empowerment, and empowerment does make society better for the workers |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Guns = Empowerment. LMAO |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. What your policy would mean. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
87. When you have had as many friends bashed and attacked as I have, maybe you would see things better |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
62. exactly, a lot of the super rich today (who would like to pay their employees almost nothing) also |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. PROGRESSive |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. The last thing I associate with "progressive" is more guns strapped to folks' legs in public. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yeah. We know. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
83. lol |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. so when gays in california go from carrying a whistle and still being attacked to open carrying |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. That is definitely good. Luckily, most folks find better ways to protection than carrying guns. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Like what? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. The ironic part is that if guns didn't work so well... he wouldn't want to ban 'em. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
88. Few carry openly in public, except as a statement |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. really? so as crime rates decrease, you manage to make the claim that |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Crime decreases from many variables. Simplistic to think it's due to more guns. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Fail. You failed to show us how being more like Gun free Nigeria is going to be better |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
64. so how many progressives |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Oh come on -- Brady was a Reagan Repub. Right wingers control the much larger NRA. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #78 |
96. Paul helmke, Mark Helmke, sara brady, jim brady... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. less guns means more weak at the mercy of the strong. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. there is nothing wrong with "proliferation" or increase in gun ownership rates in the USA |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #60 |
97. Remember who you are talking to. |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
75. Which extra taxes are you talking about specificially? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. He's talking about the application and fingerprint fees to apply for a rifle/shotgun |
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