Gun seized from another 'party bus'

[jpak]

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/providence/providence-gun-seized-from-another-party-bus

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WPRI) - Providence Police have found another gun on one of those so-called party buses.

The Providence Journal reports a loaded .357 caliber revolver was seized from a bus at the corner of Weybosset and Union Streets.

The discovery comes a week after two handguns were seized from a woman on a party bus shortly after a shooting outside the Level II Dance Club.

Both buses came from Massachusetts.

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Why do people need guns to "party"

Guns are not cool

they kill

yup

[DCKit]

1. Sounds like RI needs to bump up their border security. nt

[Hoyt]

2. You never know when "stage coach" robbers might pull over the bus -- among other irrational reasons.

[ManiacJoe]

3. An obvious question not even addressed in the article:

What lead the police to do the search in the first place?

[iverglas]

4. I have an even more obvious one

What the hell's a "party bus"?

I guess I should click ...

[Flyboy_451]

5. It's a rolling pain in the ass...

A party bus in general is a bus rented by a group for the purpose celebrating without the hazards of driving afterward. Sounds like a good plan on the surface, but the devil is always in the details. The most common type of party bus that I have to deal with are the ones hired by a group that wants to go bar hopping as a group. In my experience, bar owners and patrons alike, would prefer that they not show up at their favorite watering hole. They are frequently filled with young power drinkers that are typically found at the center of many bar fights.

As a police officer, it is a rare weekend that we are not called to one of the local bars as a result of the activities of party bus patrons. Many of the local bars have banned party buses from bringing their patrons to their establishment, because of the problems that are, all too frequently, associated with their arrival.

In response to the original post...Is there some policy you are advocating in reaction to this event? (other than the typical gun=bad...must clamp down on all legal gun owners!)

The linked article doesn't provide much information surrounding the event, so I am at a loss as to what your point may be with regard to policy/law changes. It would appear that there are already laws in place addressing such issues, thus he gun was seized.

JW

[petronius]

7. Thanks, I was wondering that myself

Sounds like something to avoid - we get the vans and limos full of tasters at our local wineries, and that can be bad enough. This seems like a whole different level of obnoxiousness....

[rl6214]

8. "Is there some policy you are advocating in reaction to this event?"

"(other than the typical gun=bad...must clamp down on all legal gun owners!)"

Nope, that's about it. That's all he/she/it ever spouts along with he/she/it's normal shtick of the NRA/GOP/MORANS.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[jpak]

9. An example why the GOP/NRA policy of guns everywhere all the time is a bad idea

yup

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. Once again, our version of "Obama's planning to establish a caliphate" is aired.

Same CT mindset, different imaginary bugbears....

[Flyboy_451]

13. now that you have pointed out you position,

Would you be so kind as to point out an example of the NRA or the GOP advocating "guns everywhere, all the time"?

[jpak]

15. Look at all the sick gun bills being pushed in state legislatures by the GOP/NRA

They want guns in schools, libraries, bars, sporting events, churches, town meetings and no-permit open carry everywhere all the time.

yup

[PavePusher]

16. Can I see your permit to openly buy and carry newspapers, please?

While you're at it, cover that thing up. Decent people don't want to be exposed to that filth and intimidation.

nup

[Flyboy_451]

17. that answer is somewhat less than concise...

As I am sure you are aware, most, if not all states allows the owners of businesses, ect. To post signs that restrict the carrying of firearms while on their property or within the confines of their business (this negates your "everywhere" statement). The bit about guns in bars is less than honest as well, in that it would still be illegal to consume alcohol while carrying (which negates you "all the time" statement). Not to mention that most such bills only apply to restaurants that happen to serve alcohol, or also have a bar in said restaurant.

I am not aware of any bills put forward by anyone that would remove any of these restrictions. So, once again, can you please direct me to any statement or action by the NRA or the GOP that indicates that they advocate "guns everywhere all the time"? This was your assertion, was it not?

Jw

[PavePusher]

24. This one has a tendency to extrapolate from zero...

which can only end up with zero.

It's far easier to simply not engage...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. Many of which have strong bi-partisan support?

[iverglas]

18. thanks for that

Sorry about forgetting to come back sooner and read the answer!

[rl6214]

6. "Both buses came from Massachusetts."

I know, let's BAN busses from Massachusetts!

[petronius]

10. Gun laws are very strict in Massachusetts, are they not?

I'm surprised they didn't prevent this...

From another article, this part cracked me up: "Frightened that the 19 passengers who had been discharged at Ultra dance club would be angry with him when they returned, the driver immediately drove back to Fitchburg, Mass., and stranded his passengers, according to the police." They will be now! :rofl:

http://www.projo.com/news/content/Providence_License_05-03-11_OUNSC4P_v29.1af7e98.html

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. They are indeed very strict. Looks like we still await that One Supreme Gun Law.

You know, the one that is guaranteed to prevent illegal gun use.

Just like all the previous ones that were supposed to do the same thing.


Ahh, Fitchburg- eternally vying with Leominster for the title of Meth Capital of Worcester County...

[iverglas]

20. there are those of whom I do expect better

I live a life of quiet disappointment.

[iverglas]

19. now there's an assumption

Do we know that the guns were Massachusetts residents?

A party bus could also be a handy gun-running vehicle. Just like any other vehicle. But why not kill two birds with one stone, and go drinking and shopping at the same time?

I keep hoping someone will show me the map on which I can see the fences and moats around the states with firearms laws that would be reasonably effective in a vacuum ... but are of virtually no effect when the state is surrounded by states that don't even make an effort.

I know, I know, when people like you say things like "I'm surprised they didn't prevent this..." you're just joshing, and certainly not trying to persuade anyone that gun laws are supposed to act as some magical shield against gun-running ...

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Two states with notoriously lax gun laws that adjoin MA also have less violent crime...

...and lower murder rates, to boot. I addressed this at some length, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=360440



I noted that three economically-depressed post-industrial cities, all nearly identical in size and within two hours' driving

time of each other have vastly different crime and murder rates. The two worst ones are in Massachusetts, and the third

(Manchester) is in New Hampshire. To cut to the chase- MA gun laws don't seem to have helped.

[petronius]

23. An assumption, yes. But the most likely under the circumstances, wouldn't you say?

And people like me rarely try to persuade, but to the extent that my flippant response was intended to suggest anything it was closer to the opposite of magic shields...

[WatsonT]

26. I don't believe guns can be residents of any state

legally.

[iverglas]

27. sort of like Canadians

oh look, another joke.

;)

[WatsonT]

29. They can become citizens

they just have to give up on that ridiculous metric system and learn what proper bacon is.

[iverglas]

31. best of both worlds here

We have bacon bacon AND back bacon. ;)

Now the Brits, they have a sort of weird combination of the two ...

[WatsonT]

14. Clearly we need more laws at it is currently legal to wave a gun around while intoxicated

. . oh right, it isn't. And the police did their jobs.

And . .. well I guess that's it. The entire story: idiots break law, idiots get arrested.

[iverglas]

21. you do indeed

You need a law instituting a license requirement and a law instituting a registration requirement. In all states.

No law stops all shit from happening, but those ones go quite a distance to keep firearms out of hands they don't belong in.

Just thought I'd lend you a hand here.


The entire story: idiots break law, idiots get arrested.

Yeah. No one got shot. Just like all those drunk driving offences: idiots break law, idiots get arrested. No one gets killed or disabled in a car crash. No need at all to consider methods of reducing the incidence of drunk driving ... or of idiots getting hold of firearms ... Just cross your fingers, and nobody will get killed.

[WatsonT]

25. When someone is killed in a drunk driving fit, do you propose we ban cars?

I know the mantra: we don't want to ban, we just want to license.

And that would be fine and all if that weren't used as a precursor to a de facto ban so many times in the past.

If no one were trying to actively do away with the 2nd amendment I think you'd find most people would be more amendable to such proposals. But the fact is that there is a large contingent who wish exactly that and wish to use registration as a method for compiling all legally owned guns as a way to later on get them confiscated. Case in point.

It was pretty sneaky the first time it was tried, now it's old hat.

[iverglas]

28. if someone is killed by firearm, do we propose to ban firearms?

Not so as I've noticed.

And that would be fine and all if that weren't used as a precursor to a de facto ban so many times in the past.

Yeah. Require firearm owners to be licensed, and then the guvmint will take all their gunz away.

You know, in some quarters it's said that firearms control advocates have a mental illness ...

But the fact is that there is a large contingent who wish exactly that and wish to use registration as a method for compiling all legally owned guns as a way to later on get them confiscated. Case in point.

I'd say "case in point", but I fear the consequences.

[WatsonT]

30. It's a mental illness to cite historical precedence?

Interesting.

How many governments put in place onerous laws amounting to a de facto ban without first implementing a registration program?

How many nations with heavily regulated firearms pass muster for the 2nd amendment?