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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:06 AM Original message |
For the NRA, It's All About Fear |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. NRA wants to perpetuate the myth that ownership of weapons is a necessity to protect |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Fear = $$$$ |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. That's the way I see it. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. a better quest is why would the state enact laws to criminalize carrying a concealed gun in church |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. It's also interesting how many people are under the misconception... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Isn't it just? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. No, that isn't how it works at all. It's your fear that brings weapons to church, not mine. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Why do you want him to leave his weapons outside? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Would you agree that some people are uncomfortable around firearms? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I think that's obvious - but "uncomfortable" sounds a lot like fear, and isn't this |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I said I'm not afraid of weapons. I did not suggest that no one fears weapons. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The post that started the sub-thread was about the government excluding firearms |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Post #3 was mine and had nothing to do with legislation. It was a response that brought it up. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I know, I edited (sorry). I don't agree with such laws either, and I'm uncomfortable |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
95. Since when was common sense an emotional response? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Common sense says to be prepared for any situation |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Sorry, I thought you were carrying a gun on the off chance that you |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. You don't carry a gun "on the off chance that you might |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #118 |
144. OK so why do you carry it? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #98 |
137. I think the boy scout thing stops when you degrade society by packing a gun in public. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #137 |
150. So much for your "thinking". n/t |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. It's not. And "common sense" is not the reason for desiring someone to leave a firearm outside |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
138. And you don't think that toting a gun in church is just a tad over the top? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. I argue that everyone has the right to make that choice for themselves, |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. "what feels best for me is not necessarily best for anyone else..." |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. Just my having a gun |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. I've heard that argument before and it's interesting. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. I do yoga |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. I don't know you. So I can't say. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Until you can define "good for society" and "impacts society" in ways that don't |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
265. Deleted message |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
65. It is concealed. They don't know. N/T |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. How does the deception make it better? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Ah, you and your 'deception' foolishness |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Duh! That's why they're detectives |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #104 |
119. Offensive? Only to you |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #119 |
145. Not only to me. I think to most people |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
133. The nervous folks won't get upset by what they don't know about. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #133 |
149. Now I understand. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
86. If it's concealed, how do you know to be uncomfortable? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. If it's your church you can do that. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I don't want the government to do anything but stay out of the way. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Then why are we having this conversation? nt |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. As most people hereabouts know... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. So, you're just stirring the pot. Fair enough. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Yep. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
136. Since only 2-3% of population feels a need to carry, attendance would really drop. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
34. I haven't noticed anyone under that misconception. What I do see is people insisting |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. A church is a public space? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Perhaps it's not the most correct term. Take it to mean 'place outside the home, |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Churches and any privately owned area have the right to control their space. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Not advocating that at all, as I think I've clarified in the other sub-sub-thread |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. A church or a private business can post a "no-guns" sign ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
102. What if a town passes an ordinance banning the carrying of guns? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
123. It would depend on the State Law. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #123 |
140. Fine. Then the local government could appeal up to SCOTUS |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
126. In Florida the state law counts - not the local law. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #126 |
143. Good point. Thanks for the info |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #143 |
167. many urban areas in the United States allow concealed carry ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
99. How would you feel if it weren't a right? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. I would feel the same. My position is to oppose legal limits on any choice, freedom, |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
36. Why should the government be telling churches who or what they should let into their church? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Wow! Where did you get that? Who said that the government should be making this decision? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. There are laws in existence in some states because some people think like you. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I don't believe that the government should mandate anything about firearms in private spaces. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I agree with that and think that regulations about public space guns should be under stric review. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. We agree. I doubt that we would agree ... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. I would say that many public places could if they screened people for weapons before entry |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
101. How would gun laws be born of bigotry? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
125. Bigotry doesn't mean what you think it means. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #125 |
139. Like the NRA's intolerance of those who would like to stop the proliferation |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. LOL. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. Deleted message |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. Translation: "Hey, look over there"... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. So what's your point? I know I said it. Why shouldn't I? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. The morale of the story... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. And how could your response be construed as taking me to task in any way? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. You said something that clearly and obviously does not mirror reality... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #174 |
180. Please be specific. I say lot.s of things |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. Post 157, already done. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Let me repeat |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #183 |
206. I guess you do need it spelled out for you. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #206 |
232. The "progression" you see on the map hasno relevance as to how the |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #232 |
252. It has more relevance than your unsupported assertions. N/T |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. The people aren't nearly as smart as he is |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. Mmhhhmmm. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. In your mind |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. "Nya nya nya." |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #139 |
152. No, not like that. Protecting a civil liberty is different than removing a civil liberty |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #152 |
163. How does my having an opinion about something make me intolerant? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #139 |
161. Demanding demonstrable need |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Where did I demand anything? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. You gotta be rich to think like that. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. I parrot nobody, unlike some around here. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Define "demonstrable need" and how |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Unfortunately, there is no civilized discussion with you |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. How would your policy proposals help the Democratic party? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. How you ask? By reining in the mavericks like you who support a mode |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Nice sermon. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. As we have discussed, neither of us carry for the same reason |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Criminals dont make an appointment. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. OK That's where we differ |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Nobody gets mugged in a police station. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #181 |
184. Nobody is writing off the victims of crime. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Would you rather |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. "forced to face a criminal who clearly intends to do them harm" |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Elitist sophistry. Busted again. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. Did you practise saying all that in the mirror? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. There are questions pending. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. Jawohl! Mind pointing them out? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. LOL! That's how you stall for time? Really? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Post #287. n/t |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #197 |
225. Opted to slink away, did we? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #225 |
247. Then why do you bother responding? I know how much you miss me but |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #247 |
250. Because |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #250 |
259. " it's interesting to see how hard you will work to avoid the obvious." |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #259 |
261. LOL! |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #261 |
263. I'll check the book out and I agree with most everything you say. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. You're more than welcome. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #263 |
266. Not to mention the lies and deceit that you use. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. "I know you are, but what am I.." -- is usually left in grade school. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Right, like playing with guns |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #195 |
203. You may have 'played' with guns.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #203 |
207. Thanks for the advice and rest assured |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. Had he said that people feel that way, you might have a point.. since he didn't... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #193 |
196. To be honest the only reason I keep a fire extinguisher in my home is |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. So if given a choice, you would choose to not be prepared for a rare, yet dangerous situation.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. How do I impugn others? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. "The only reason I can think of" -- is only valid inside your head. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #204 |
212. "Others get to make their own choices, based on their own criteria. " |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #212 |
219. You would |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #219 |
231. Deleted message |
rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #231 |
236. All other things being equal |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #200 |
234. Often find yourself in dangerous situations do you? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #193 |
199. Is there a point you're trying to make by talking about fires? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #199 |
205. I'll be more explicit if you're having difficulty. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. Because fire extinguishers are designed to put out fires |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Thats a serious over-simplification of firearms... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #211 |
216. The most effective way to have killed Bin Laden |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #216 |
221. Wrong. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #221 |
226. Who knows how much. Do you? And how much is too much. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Then |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #227 |
230. I approve of carrying long guns outside the home in designated areas. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #230 |
235. Sure |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #235 |
239. Do you not have a dictionary? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. So protecting property is okay, but a woman in a poor neighborhood with high crime? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. That would be up to her what she carries |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. So you would not grant her a permit? Correct? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. I don't answer hypothetical questions with definitive answers |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. Matrix-worthy dodge. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. He fails to note that |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #245 |
251. Soooooo |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #251 |
258. Noooooooooooooo! Unless I liked that politician for other. more important reasons |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. Hence the phrase: "All things being equal". nt |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #244 |
257. "When did you stop beating your dog?" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #257 |
262. And here I thought you'd actually learned something.. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #239 |
242. Sooo |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #239 |
249. There are questions pending. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #209 |
213. Why does the intent of the designer matter? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #209 |
220. Who are they drsigned to kill |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #185 |
208. I would rather have nobody carrying a gun, which I have said repeatedly |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Nice dodge. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #210 |
214. So you'd rather have a completed rape than a dead rapist? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Riiiight.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #215 |
217. I support having a gun in the home. She did the right thing. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #217 |
218. "A gun is the worst tool a woman could use for self defense." |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #218 |
228. Yes outside the home. Men included, not just women. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #228 |
233. I would pull a gun if confronted by the threat of grevious bodily harm, inside or out. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. What stats? Remember I said "surprise attacks" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Knock yourself out.. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #217 |
222. How about this woman, eh? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #214 |
224. It was a direct question. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #208 |
223. You have yet to define |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #175 |
229. Soooo |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Why not carry a gun to church? I do. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Many churches exclude guns. That was my point. Sort of. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Mine doesn't. In fact, I don't know of any that do. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
188. I don't get the obsession with guns/churches |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. WWJC - what would Jesus carry? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
73. If not for guns, you would be speaking German today ... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. If weren't for guns, Europeans would not be here |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. You need to study more history ... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
88. Another stupid response when the adults are having a conversation |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Please google New Life Church Shooting |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Let me ask you this: |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Why should I? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I were afraid of you, I, too, would be carrying a firearm. Please don't project your fears onto me. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You are trying to get me to not carry a gun. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. LOL! That won't work. I don't fear you or your guns. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Then why are you trying to stop 10 million of us from carrying? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
93. Then why do you give a damn if I'm carrying a gun? NT |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
75. You are projecting your own fear onto those who carry concealed. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
92. Not that I can think of. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
80. Maybe you should ask Dr. George Tiller. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. New Life is NOT a Unitarian church |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Yeah, like attacks never happen in churches |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. Dennis hennigan? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I have no more use for Hennigan |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. don't forget |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. We need guns to keep Canada from invading NT |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Where is NT? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
91. The klittle sarcasm thingy doesn't count as "text" No Text |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
111. c'mon now |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #111 |
131. AARGH ! |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. "Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted, Ted.. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
12. Dear Mr. Hennigan |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
13. Henigan is the VP |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Like I said |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Agreed, but nobody posted a Nugent speech or a Norquist rant as if it has credibility |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. "All extremest are driven by ideology and that includes their facts." |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Very true. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. in your head, I guess |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The fact the helmke LIED, is documented right there for you to see. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. yes, yes, we know |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Equivcation attempt: failed. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. you said it: equivocation attempt failed |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I'll make this really simple for you. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. no thanks |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Your example fails. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. specious (and false) distinctions |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Obfuscatory on your part. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. sometimes I really don't believe it |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
105. The Canadian Greens to the right of NDP? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. absolutely |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
120. I bet you don't. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Yup, that would be lying. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
114. hold onto those goalposts, nellie! |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Nice tapdancing. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:13 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. "I can't believe you're trying to make a semantic issue |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Wow. Just wow. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #132 |
146. TL;DR |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. I find it strange. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
115. Deleted message |
Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
129. It seems clear enough to most people. |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
112. Yawn... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. so children are what, now? |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. As everyone reading this exchange knows, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. gosh darn it |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. Next up: The meaning of "is". |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. His boss sets the tone for the org. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
26. For the Bradys, it really IS all about fear. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
110. Some of the Brady bunch... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
45. It's not about fear. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
51. trouble doesn't make an appointment... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
76. OH MY GOODNESS BUY ALL THE GUNZ YOU CANS a Black man is going to take them away |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. An excellent example of race baiting. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
117. that's gotta be the funniest thing today |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. I assure you the run on guns and ammo would have happened regardless of the President's race. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #117 |
151. From the link I posted |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. Sadly, you are the one injecting the race of the President into that quoted line. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. To put a finer point on it... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. 2009 old news....there's plenty of ammo now. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Wasn't the point, but that's OK, keep polishing....... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. Black only seems to matter in your mind |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. BBBAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHH |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
134. Obama's race has nothing to do with it. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
189. Likewise I've heard the republicans don't in general care for this president |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
82. It helps to be proactive and not reactive to a threat. weaker or otherwise |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
84. Didn't you mean to say for the anti-gun crowd it's all about fear? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
90. Speaking of fear... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
107. Yet you tell me to be afraid going to states that have Castle Doctrine laws... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
128. "Both sides" of the gun control issue is all about fear. |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
171. +1 very true |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
190. What?!?! |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
241. Yes, Fear... |
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