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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 03:30 PM Original message |
Andrew Traver: Liar. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please compare that video with this far more honest video from another policed officer ... |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Neither honesty nor knowledge are anti--rights strong suits. n/a |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. When people ask "what has Obama done to restrict gun rights?"... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. great post... K&R! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Viva Andrew Traver! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It doesn't surprise me that you would support any individual who lied ... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You and he are a lot alike. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The man is either incompetent or a liar. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yeah, doesn't surprise me at all |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. Good video. I've had to watch much worse -- like youtubes with a bunch of right wingers blasting |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. What is "good" about a video full of lies and misdirection from government officials and the press? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Where's the "misdirection". The guns are dangerous and you guys keep buying them, putting more on |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Where? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Oh my God, the thought that you guys might not be able to purchase such "sexy" weapons . . . . . . |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Oh my God, the thought that you might stay on topic... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Minor fact - Semi-auto or auto. They both kill people and too many folks are attracted to them. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. This thread is about Traver and his deception. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I don't see the deception -- Guns kill and there are too many on street. Ain't that relevant? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I spelled it out for you already. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
59. What I saw was an agent making the point that guns kill and there are too many on street. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Let me say this Hoyt in front of all DU |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Wayne LaPierre is objective? Paid mouthpiece of the NRA. Come on. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Nobody hereabouts claims hes objective, in this case though hes factually correct. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. In case you forget, CNN had to retract the story |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. So, the two guns have the same "firepower." What is misleading about that. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That was not the point of the piece and you know it. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. We see things differently. IMO, both should be banned. You want an automatic for your collection. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I would love to have an automatic for my collection |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. That is no surprise. If it makes a buck and can kill a bunch of folks, it's OK with you. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. You wanna really piss Hoyt off? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Your gun porn collection will have the cowboys drooling for weeks. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Get your panties in a twist then |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I can tell they are a source of great pleasure to you. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I started collecting over 50 years ago. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Actually, I can dig it. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. So if you wanted to prove house cats are bad you would film a video ... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. I don't think most of us need any proof that such guns are bad on the streets. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Only those able to determine the truth from a lie would understand it |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. It's OK if 8 million that carry in public laugh at me -- the other 310 Million understand. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. No, most of those 310 million outside of the gungeon |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. Why can't you get your 310 million supporters to do jack shit about it? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
93. And "Candle in the Wind 1997" is the best-selling single of all time |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. They could show |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. A lot of people don't 'need any proof' to believe homsexuality is evil. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. "Evil?" TBaggers -- the same folks who champion carrying in public -- believe junk like your post. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. Except none of those full autos are on the street |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
92. So LEOs don't need fully automatic weapons either? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. but as several of your buddies have posted, it's easy to modify them. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The instruction are available on internet and you and others say you can do it. It's pretty easy. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Ohh, of course not. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Surely you are not disputing Post # 14. He said he could do it. I believe him. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. No, I'm disputing the claims YOU made. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So far, we have two who say they can definitely do it. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. And you said "Let's just say any of us who want to do it can". |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Well let's be fair |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. "Easy" is relative. So far, with maybe 10 folks who have read post - 2 say they can definitely do it |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. But you've made a very specific claim and been asked to back it up |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. "the guns can be, and are, converted." |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Hoyt ANYONE CAN DO IT. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Yes anyone can do it. Thanks. And anyone can kill a bunch of folks without converting one. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. Well, sure, but that wasn't the point under discussion. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The average person however, can't read a micrometer, |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yeah, exactly. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. But McGyver could do it w/ a twist tie , a butter knife |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
85. It is a little known fact that McGyver |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
88. like this? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I also said I'd need : |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. You made a very specific claim |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. OK, it's on the internet |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
91. "Don't see much reason debating 'how easy.'" I'm sure you don't. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. You have repeatedly propogated projections, unfounded accusations, insinuations... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Thank the gods. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
51. Don't go thanking them too quick. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Oh, No. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Look at the video |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. You are correct but you'd play hell getting any kind of production off that set up. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. We now have three "who can do it." This is getting "easier" by the minute. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You weren't asked to defend 'It can be done" |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
90. given |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Link to post? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Please note |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. That is because he lets his alligater mouth over load his hummingbird ass. n/t |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. "but as several of your buddies have posted, it's easy to modify them." |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Was anyone proposing they become head of ATF? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
18. What the BLUE FUCK?!?!?!?!? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Naw, it gets the point across. You just don't like the point. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. The evidence continues to mount. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. No more OK with it than I am with toters and gun promoters lying. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. Oh? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. such dishonesty has no place in law enforcement |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
57. This piece has been dissected before. |
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