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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:44 PM Original message |
"Store manager shot dead in Chicago"...How?? They have such restrictive gun laws! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Where guns are more restriced and less-prevalent, you are less likely to be murdered by one |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Please provide your proof for that. We are all looking forward to it. n-t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. aka correlation = causation, again? *sigh* n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. your post indicates progress because before you wouldn't admit correlation |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Sorry, I should have put quotes around it.. that's your claim, not mine. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. i didn't post a rule --i posted a correlation |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. No, you claimed a correlation, then backed away from it, claiming it was just "my opinion".. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Better than citing a single case. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's why Chicago and DC have such low murder rates, and Vermont is so dangerous |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. you very carefully omitted New York |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Crime of all kinds is low in NYC |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Phoenix? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. It's lower than in New Haven, CT. ;-) |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. is that a tic that you have? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. It's a lovely exception to your "correlation".. especially when compared to Phoenix. n/t |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. OK if you want to play that game |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. El Paso's not rural |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I know |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. So if Juarez residents had more guns, they'd be safer? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. More like the strict gun laws AREN'T making them safer. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. depends on who has the guns |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. eqfan592 has it exactly |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. how do they keep the crime rate low in a big city with restrictive gun control and low gun ownership |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. NYC has a very effective police department |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:42 PM Original message |
so gun laws neither hurt or help the crime rate? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. The evidence does tend to point to gun restrictions.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. That would be the proper null hypotheses, if one was inclined to study the issue scientifically |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. ask the mayor of Bern or Zurich |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Low in compairison to what? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Ummm, I don't think so |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. and when you see them you will correct your posting and admit the correlation is true |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. If you have read any stats there is no proof either way...... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. You are missing something. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. so why is Vermont safer than Japan |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
60. "where guns are more restricted..." |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
70. So I'm less dead if I am instead murdered with a knife or club? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Criminals will always have guns? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. More than two million US criminals don't have access to guns today |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. well the OP said criminals will always have access to guns |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
64. Those 2 million criminals |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. That statement "criminals will always have guns".... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. where are they getting them? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Black Market. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Hmmm.....how do "criminals" get guns? Maybe by committing a crime? n-tbvg |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. The last time the DOJ studied it in the US.. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. so a majority are from legal holders of guns? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You did not ask the method of acquisition, just the source. (You asked where, not how.) |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Nice try.... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Wow, that is the best you can come up with? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I've posted a lot in this forum over several months, including detailed statistics |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Link me to your post. Since criminologists cannot even prove it either way it will be interesting... |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I'd be curious as well... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I agree with you. Too much emotion involved to use logic. n-t |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. sorry your side are the climate science deniers |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
24. Not restrictive enough, obviously. Don't answer that, I am not interested. nt |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Another cryptic post. n-t |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. Another gun on human crime...it's time to ban guns. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. GREAT.....you might be the answer I was looking for...... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
35. Chicago borders on Indiana which has guns, ammo and fireworks. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. that works great in Russia, Jamaica, Brazil right? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. You ignored my post request. How do you plan on doing that? n-t |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. How did the crusade against child pornography begin? Public policy. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Yet, despite our best efforts, its still very prevalent. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It started with the realization of the fact... |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:56 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Damn |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Guns not so much? Children executed by dads over custody disputes. That's some real harm. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You have no business even uttering the word hypocrisy. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. The very number you cite speaks volumes. America the marketplace for capricious infliction. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. It does, just NOT in the way you'd like it to. |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Infliction of what? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. OK, slower now, and where do you see ANY support for that from ANY member of congress? n-t |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. We'd have fewer criminals if we weren't such a banana republic. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Is this the first time we agreed on something |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Yep, there will always be nuts, but desperation felt by the average person can be prevented. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
67. I don't see any mention in the piece about whether the victim was armed |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Being Chicago, the assumption is no. |
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