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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:33 PM Original message |
U.S. Murder Toll From Guns Highest in Big Cities: CDC |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wow, so I suppose gangs and drugs have nothing to do with this, right jpak??? |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. asshole/liar Gary Kleck checks in |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Wow, way to jump to conclusions AGAIN! |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. well you disagree with Kleck then |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yeah, I do believe that's exactly what I just said.... |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. good then |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If that is what he truly believes... |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. you're straying from my point |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Ah, so you're admiting the gun crime is only a symptom of the problem? |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. surely it is a symptom |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. First, I'm neither shrill nor angry... |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I quoted Kleck directly |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You didn't omit it in your copy/paste. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. see how angry you are? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Yeah...there was a lot of anger in my post... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. You're straying from the thread |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. that's because you didn't read the article, and I did |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Probably, I read the OP |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Yes, you did... |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. did I misrepresent? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yes you did... |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I correctly characterized the position |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. lol. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. yes, a position that more PEOPLE should be incarcerated |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Stating that violent offenders should be exposed to anger management programs... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. So you think they should just release criminals? |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. I think we should release non-violent offenders |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. and your solution is to let them run amok while scapegoating some farmer in Idaho |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. lol @ strawman |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. how did I show anger |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. it surely is a strawman |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Strawman? |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. kleck commented in this article |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. He also said... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Should criminals be put in prison or should they be let go? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. depends on who you are imprisoning |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. let me see |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. "lock 'em up and throw away the key" |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. You must have missed the part that said |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. What are yout talking about? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
58. Totally off topic, but I really don't think "fail" is valspeak |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. what happened in 1994? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. The decline had nothing to do with gun ownership - which has declined as well |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I agree with you generally, but caution against simple answers |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. snip snip snip snip |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. jpac provided the article and was honest about where he cut |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Deleted message |
HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Que? |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
60. the data is old and if one cuts and pastes differently, one can change the |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why do cities have such a hard time controlling their gunz? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Because they're so readily available in the countryside and there's no Customs at the city limits. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. which begs the question |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. I thought you said the NRA blocked all these CDC studies? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. Here are the top 5, from the FBI (newer data..) |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Such a tragedy. Now carry on dying Americans. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. "No mention of the NRA myth "more guns less violence"" |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. Dispute these facts if you can ... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Nice post, I 100% agree there is no way to prove CCW lowers the crime rate but we know.... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Thanks. (n/t) |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. I noticed how you ignored the Chicago store clerk post. Smart of you! :-) |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
61. I sometimes think I would be anti-gun if I grew up in an urban environment. nt |
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