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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:09 AM Original message |
2004 National Research Council Study: Data on Firearms and Violence Too Weak to Settle Policy Debate |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. The only evidence and proof I need is the stats on gun deaths in other countries. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So somebody isn't as dead if they are killed by knives in that country? N/T |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yup |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. and more - U.S. Leads Richest Nations In Gun Deaths |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. and this one - high statistical correlation between guns and gun deaths |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. From Canada up |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Which would actually mean something... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. "That is, countries with strict gun control laws." Like Mexico, Jamaica, and Russia? |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Please feel free to educate yourself before embarrassing yourself |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. You mean these countries? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. So, did they have a low muder rate before gun control, or no? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Mexico has tough gun control laws and plenty of people ... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Mexican drug gangs (that do most of the killing) get guns from US gun shops and gun shows |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That is bullshit and you know it |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Right and they also buy all their hand grenades, rocket launchers |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Old study. Made before the 2009, 2010 crime drops. You fail. N/T |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. You have no peer-reviewed published scientific evidence to support that ridiculous statement |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. FBI UCR says violent crime dropped. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. But did they say it was due to guns sales? Nope - and US gun ownership has declined |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Gun ownership declined? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Gun hoarders, straw buyers for drug gangs, etc. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. I'm sure that some people are indeed hoarding guns as an investment ... |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. The weekend before last, we added 4 women to the "this is my first gun purchase" club |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. since you just said gun owners don't influence crime |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I don't have a problem with gun ownership - I have a problem with 30 round mags |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Why? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I have no problem with bong owners |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. So you have no problems with a Glock 17 which has a 17 round standard magazine? ... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Actually - I would like to see them limited to 6 rounds |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Wow.. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Are you aware that a magazine change take only a second? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. So you mean you have a problem with a lot of things... |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Speaking of peer-reviewed published scientific evidence |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. did it look at just gun violence or violence regardless of weapon? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. It is an NRC release - the research arm of the National Academy of Sciences |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. read closer |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. How do you answer my claim that more guns does not equal more crime? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Nonsense - gun ownership has declined - gun hoarding has increased |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. assuming they were honest in the latest polls. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. My daughter worked as a census taker last summer ... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Most everyone's gunz I know were lost duck hunting a while back. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Exactly. (n/t) |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. You hit the nail on the head. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
33. Trends around the world indicate more guns = less murder |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
35. Still making the strawman arguement, aren't you? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. There is no data indicating more guns = less crime |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. If you notice most of us do not claim that more guns = less crime ... |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. That's a beautiful strawman, you've built jpak.... |
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