"Newark Officer Is Killed in a Drive-By Shooting", How?? New Jersey limits gun sales!!!

[Logical]

Here we go again. New Jersey limits gun sales and also has no practical concealed carry laws but criminals still obtain guns and shoot innocent citizens. And the antis still think preventing honest, law abiding citizens from carry guns is ok. No way carry concealed will prevent every death, like the one in this story, but the point is that restrictive gun laws only prevent honest citizens from having guns, not criminals.

NEWARK — The night before he was to give his younger daughter a birthday party, Police Officer William C. Johnson went out for pizza and never came home. He died early Friday, apparently a random victim of a drive-by shooting.

Someone fired five or six shots into Texas Fried Chicken and Pizza on Thursday night, blowing out the front window, gouging bullet holes into walls, injuring two people and mortally wounding Officer Johnson, a single father of two who was off duty.

The police said that none of the three victims was the intended target, making this the sort of sudden, unexplained violence that has long been a scourge of this city.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/28/nyregion/off-duty-newark-police-officer-shot-dead.html

[ThatPoetGuy]

1. I've never heard anyone say,

"rape still occurs, even though there are laws against it. Legalize rape!"

That would be an incredibly stupid argument.

Wouldn't it?

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. +1

Consider the source.

[RSillsbee]

6. I've never heard anyone say,

Becuase rape occurs let's ban legal penis owners from owning penises either

[Logical]

10. Perfect, the problem is the antis do not use logic. n-t

[HankyDubs]

24. again the penis/gun confusion

For some reason I need to keep explaining that there are significant differences between penises and guns. Why is it that pro-gun people can't seem to understand this?

For one thing, I was born with my penis, it is part of my body. Penis removal would be a fairly uncomfortable medical procedure. Even for convicted rapists I'm not in favor of castration, because that falls in the "cruel and unusual" category.

Penises have multiple functions, unlike guns. Penises are used for excreting bodily waste, reproduction, and hours of entertainment. Guns put holes in things. That's all they do.

So if "logical" believes that "logic" dictates that penises and guns should be treated the same way by the legal system...perhaps he should change his name to "batshit crazy."

[gejohnston]

31. unusual analogy granted,

hours of entertainment? Never mind. As far as tangents go, rape is about power not sex, so castration would not cure the problem, but may change the weapon (although I some accounts of eunuchs, never mind.) Pedophiles, I think castration is a good idea because it can not be cured, or at least at the moment.

[Logical]

12. But your gun logic to prevent rape would be to outlaw sex. Get it now?? n-t

[lawodevolution]

19. A better comparison would be anti erect penis groups.

Ban erections in public but I suspect that a rapist will still get an erection despite being in a no erection zone. So penis control laws are rather useless apart from punishing misuse of the penis which we already do. Having a gun is perfectly fine, but if it is misused that's when legal action should be taken just like having a penis is fine but once it is misused then legal action should be taken. Having a rope is fine but once someone strangles a victim with it then legal action is taken.

[aikoaiko]

20. You're confusing a crime with something used to commit the crime.

"rape still occurs, even though there are laws against it. Legalize rape!" would be very stupid argument and the analogous argument was not made for legal gun ownership.

[WatsonT]

28. When rape occurs we blame the person doing it

when a murder occurs we blame the instrument (if it's a gun, the person if it's anything else).

How does that make any sense to you?

[Loki]

3. It doesn't matter how many people have a CCL

criminals will still get guns and they will kill people with those guns.

[HelenWheels]

4. Number of guns matter

The more guns out there the more guns there are to be stolen. Where do people who carry guns leave them when they have to enter a No Gun Zone? In their car and cars are very easy to steal from.

[RSillsbee]

7. There are quite a few safes designed especially for securing a gun in a car

and many gun owners use them.

What do you think criminals do when they have to enter a No Gun Zone ?

[Logical]

13. Too late to fix that issue. 90 million handguns in circilation and please propose a way....

to prevent all gun sales that passes the senate, house does not get vetoed and passes the SCOUS. No politicans want to ban gun sales.

[RSillsbee]

14. You forgot

passes the senate, house does not get vetoed and passes the SCOUS and doesn't start a war

[Logical]

15. True. How anyone can propose banning guns a this point is beyond me. n-t

[Logical]

11. True, so no need to oppose CCW laws for everyone. n-t

[sharp_stick]

5. Maybe he picked it up

in Virginia. Anyone with a pulse can get a gun in Virginia.

[PavePusher]

9. And oddly, Virginia has a lower crime rate than it's close neighbors...

with much stricter gun laws.

So what, exactly, was your point?

[gejohnston]

17. and on top of that

he would be committing a federal crime because current federal gun control laws make it so.

[sharp_stick]

18. Do you really think he gives a shit?

"Oh no, it's illegal for me to buy this gun in order to commit a crime in another State... Perhaps I should rethink my current life choices?"

[gejohnston]

22. It is illegal to sell it to him too

but you proved our point for us.

[Upton]

8. Obviously we need to protect ourselves and our loved ones

from criminals who will possess guns no matter what the laws say. The odd thing about the antis, and something I just can't understand, is they're apparently just fine with unarming law abiding citizen, while allowing armed crooks to run free to do their damage..

[Logical]

16. True. They seem more worried about CCW holders than criminals. n-t

[Taitertots]

21. "The city laid off about 13 percent of its officers last fall" They have made tragedy inevitable

There is no one to blame except politicians.

[lawodevolution]

23. Cut police force by 14% and murders go up by 71%

Sounds like criminals have been empowered and law abiding citizens are intimidated from owning guns and self defense.

[MyrnaLoy]

25. more importantly

it goes to show even a police officer carrying a weapon openly can't defend himself so why do we think a concealed one is any better?

[ileus]

26. Yes all people are helpless against the mighty criminal. No one can respond in time...

Not even cops...ever. never.....no not ever.

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. Because they seem to have a better success rate than harsh language and tactical pleading?

We know that wearing a seat belt is not a guarantee that you will survive any and all car crashes.

Would you seriously argue that we should therefore not bother to wear them at all?

[WatsonT]

29. Sometimes even people who go to doctors die, clearly doctors are useless

[Katya Mullethov]

30. Check this cat out

The death of a Bexar County sheriff's sergeant who died in a hail of gunfire as he sat in his patrol car is being investigated for a possible connection to Mexico's drug cartels, county officials said on Tuesday.

Sergeant Kenneth Vann was "targeted because he represented the government," Sheriff Amadeo Ortiz told Reuters.

Vann, 48, was in uniform, sitting in his marked patrol car at a corner on San Antonio's southeast side early Saturday when a small white car pulled up beside him, and somebody in the car fired an estimated 28 shots from an automatic weapon, possibly an AK-47 rifle, Ortiz said. No suspects are in custody.

"I think that they picked on a police officer because he was a symbol of authority," Ortiz said on Tuesday.

He said there is no evidence Vann's movements had been tracked that morning, indicating the 24-year law enforcement veteran was not likely targeted personally. Ortiz called it an attack "on a random law enforcement officer."

"The general public, I don't think, should have that much to fear," Ortiz said.

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Enjoy "it" while it lasts .

[jpak]

32. All NJ gangbangers have to do is go to Virginia, pay a straw buyer and get what they want

yup

[gejohnston]

33. my guess is that there is a middle man between the straw buyer and the gang bangers

but if you want to take away their guns, I still say take away their money.