what happened to the 50 caliber terror website?

[lawodevolution]

http://www.50caliberterror.com/

Looks like they're down.

All I found was this:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fifty_Caliber_Terror

"In 1993, Black Hawk 1 was a helicopter transporting food to hungry children in Africa. It was shot down by a terrorist who used an M82A1 to hit the rotor. This didn't cause much damage, so he decided to go with his RPG-7v instead and shot down Black Hawk 1. This incident was all over the news, blaming Barrett for producing a weapon that could possibly give us an advantage in wars. The Soccer Moms jumped on this like a fat man on a bucket of lard."

lol

[S_B_Jackson]

1. I think that Josh Sugarman was faced with a true Hobson's Choice...

since the Joyce Foundation gravy train decreased his allowance.....he could:
1) augment his income by actually engaging in the sale of firearms (which is required by the BATFE of everyone else with an FFL), or
2) get off his ass and hustle up some other donors to the VPC, or
3) take a slight paycut and pay the cost to renew the rights to the domain name out of his own pocket.

I see that he opted for secret answer 4) None of the above.

[nebenaube]

2. I don't know about this one...

Watching a youtube video about that gun and a 1 mile kill shot through a cinder block wall resulting in a fine pink mist on the other side was enough for me to say no fucking way this weapon should be on the street. Then again, there's two of them on the counter at my local pawnshop. I have a .50 cal plains rifle. It uses caps. I don't want to lose it but that sniper rifle is too much for civilian use. The deer would not be edible.

[S_B_Jackson]

3. The people who have the skill to make such a shot...

aren't really your local garden variety gang-bangers. These rifles aren't being used to commit crimes, so why would you feel the need to outlaw them for civilian use? Would you be happier if, instead of shooting .50 BMG rounds, they were shooting .50 caliber Sharps rifles and making similar type shots out to 1,538 yards instead?

My grandfather had an 1873 Sharps that he used to hunt elk, mountain sheep, and occasionally, deer. In his later years, he always used it because he said, "I'm too damned old to go chasing an injured buck into the brush....and with the .50, even if it isn't an instant killing shot, the force of the impact always knocks them down and they don't get back up." I never noticed that there were any issues with the edibility of the venison.

[gejohnston]

4. If you have that kind of disposable income, you are more likely to do worse damage with your pen

as in Bankster. The only person I ever heard of who made a shot like that was a Canadian army sniper in Afghanistan. I saw the interview with him on CBC website. He said that when he was in grade school, he would shoot flies out of the air with a .22. I don't know about his grade school marksmanship, but I do know that Canadian Forces sniper school is no cakewalk.

[S_B_Jackson]

5. Then there's that even longer range, more accurate

.416 Barret 2500 yards, with a cold bore shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZFqUiSRC18&feature=related

Of course, you're still going to need $10k-$15k, plus a lot of acreage for a practice range.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. Slightly newer data:

Steve Reichert

IIRC, the Raufoss Mk 211 round was used.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

18. And there's always...

...White Feather

[PavePusher]

6. Why do you think anyone is silly enough to hunt deer with one?

By what exact criteria is this an unsuitable weapon for Citizens, but just peachy for military and law enforcement? Please be specific.

[nebenaube]

29. The ideal of securing a mile wide perimeter? n/t

[Bold Lib]

8. Do you realize that if not for the civilian marked Barret would have gone out of business

and now the army would not have it at all? Barret came out with the M-82 in 1982 as a rifle for the military. The military would have nothing to do with it, said there was no use for such a weapon. So, Barret started marketing it to the civilian market (IIRC it was originally around thirty five hundred in 82). He managed to sell enough to stay in business and finally, about 15 years later or so, the military came around to a different way of thinking and saw the use for such a rifle.

[cognoscere]

9. Are you seriously comparing a .50 caliber black powder percussion

rifle to the .50 BMG round? Even using a 50-140 BP cartridge, the ballistics for a 638 grain bullet are 1413 feet per second and 2829 foot pounds of energy. The .50 BMG with a 647 grain bullet has 3044 feet per second and 13144 foot pounds.

[AtheistCrusader]

10. I'm having trouble imagining why the deer would be inedible.

[Flyboy_451]

11. because the people making that statement...

know nothing about bullet construction and terminal performance of projectiles.

Just like those at the Fifty Caliber Terror sight claiming you could shoot down an airliner, know nothing of exterior ballistics.

JW

[Hangingon]

16. +1 nt.

[nebenaube]

28. pink mist? n/t

[X_Digger]

31. You really don't know how guns work, do you? n/t

[Flyboy_451]

13. Unless I am thinking of the wrong video, the video you are referencing...

is not actual footage, but a reenactment for television. The ammunition being used for this shot is the RAUFOSS round. This round is NOT something that is available on the civilian market. It is an armor piecing/incendiary/explosive projectile, thus it would be as tightly controlled as any other military grade explosives.

The Blood splash shown in the video is likely exaggerated for effect. During three tours in the middle east, and fourteen years in law enforcement, I have seen a lot of people killed by various means, including IEDs, rifle and handgun fire, various ordnance and even the RAUFOSS round. I have never seen the effect that is shown in the video. In the video, it looks more like someone is standing behind the wall and throwing a pail of red paint against the adjacent wall. Even with the explosive content of the RAUFOSS, this is not very realistic. The human body simply does not react in the manner portrayed.

As far as hunting with a fifty cal, there are several people that do it. Here is a link to a Field and Stream article about that very subject..

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning

I won't get into the ballistics of remaining velocity and terminal performance of bullets unless someone actually wants me to, but suffice it to say that game animals shot at long range with a 50 BMG are not torn up any more than they are when shot at closer ranges with rifles similar to your muzzle loader .50 cal.

JW

[TheWraith]

14. Such a weapon has NEVER been used in a crime. Ever.

Why? Because they cost $10,000 each, they're just under 5 FEET long, and they weigh about 30 pounds. All the hype about why they should be banned is complete fabrication.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Not entirely accurate.

A wells fargo armored truck was attacked by two geniuses with one of these rifles. They managed to injure one of the occupants.

Quite the tyrannosaurus-stopping death machine.

[oneshooter]

32. I bought my AR-50 several years ago

Bought it used, with a 16-32x54mm scope and 5deg rail. Total was $5100+tx. Very accurate, recoil like a heavy loaded 12ga.
I use 725gr bullets, haven't chronoed it yet as I don't have one.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[benEzra]

19. You do realize that far more Americans own guns for target shooting than hunting, yes?

Fewer than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts. And FWIW, .50 BMG precision rifles are primarily used for very-long-range target shooting, not hunting.

I don't have a lot of use for one because I don't have access to 1000+ yard ranges around here, but they're certainly not a crime problem (AFAIK, zero U.S. homicides have been committed with .50 BMG's in the last quarter-century).

[Euromutt]

24. How many .50-cal rifles are "on the street"?

Damn few, I'll wager. You might find privately owned ones in gun safes and in wide open, uninhabited areas where you shoot at targets a mile off, but how many people are seriously carrying a 25-pound, 5-foot rifle "on the street"?

[Katya Mullethov]

35. They just scooped one up in Mexico

And the fifth floor at ATF is just aflutter , in a panic as it were , as it might just turn out to be one of their walked guns .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13586444

Man I sure would like to get me one of them gunwalker rifles . What a collectors item . Now that they are finally starting to shoot up the fuzz here , the odds of one turning up in SOTx are just became slightly better than zero . Anybody have a list of serial numbers... or is it some kinda big assed state secret ?

[GreenStormCloud]

25. The deer would be edible.

Here is a rack of ribs from a cow that was shot with a .50 BMG at 400 meters. They can be barbequed nicely.

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7. Let's have another laugh for old times sake...

(courtesy of the Way Back Machine)...

http://web.archive.org/web/20090524173032/http://www.50caliberterror.com/?

“Godzilla’s Gun”?... :rofl:

[Glassunion]

17. There have been crimes commited with the .50.

http://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm Ooooh... "Sniper crime"... sounds spooky...

On that page they list what they imply is crimes committed with .50 cal rifles. There are 38 bullet points(no pun) of .50 cal crimes. But here is the kicker. There were 4 crimes committed WITH a .50 cal. One was a drug cartel shootout in Mexico and the other was a fire in Oregon that was started as the byproduct of the ammunition that was used and the last two were actual shootings. To date, no one has been killed or shot with one.

[Katya Mullethov]

22. There was that bank job

Oh wait , that was a 20 ,
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFR8YQIPBFFtoxyVxAXTIDMmnXlxdjhCPEoE_O172wwlfL7md3&t=1
might stick your fingers in your ears George .

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33. Thunderbolt and Lightfoot

20mm Oerlikon

[benEzra]

34. Poe's Law in action...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

[Glassunion]

15. Maybe they are moving to the more deadly 338caliberterror.com?

Apparently they kill from farther away.... 2,475 m (2,707 yd) longest confirmed kill(s) to date.

[Katya Mullethov]

21. I know for a fact it was shot down

All non-line-of-sight work too . Fatman can fill you in on the particulars .

[Glassunion]

23. Who shot it down?

Be interesting to read.

[Euromutt]

26. Corporal of Horse Craig Harrison, Household Cavalry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29

(Note: the Household Cavalry does not use the term "sergeant" because it is derived from the Latin serviens, "servant," and its members are gentlemen; therefore, it calls all its sergeant "corporal" of some variety.)

[Glassunion]

27. This was the shot I was originally referring to.

Craig Harrison beat out Rob Furlong's(.50cal) shot by 45 meters, using .338 Lapua. Hence the "338caliberterror.com"

[DissedByBush]

30. Server crashed under the weight of the lies stored on it n/t