Inside an anti's mind: If you stop these gang members from shooting and killing, I'll support CCW

[TPaine7]

Can someone please explain the bolded part of the following quotation to me? Pretty please with a cherry on top? (I won't be able to come back for a few hours, but I will come back.)

Gang Activity

State Rep. Monique Davis, D-Chicago, has been a vocal opponent of the concealed-carry law, arguing that the legislation could result in more innocent bystanders being hurt during a shooting incident. She contends that concealed carry makes sense in more rural parts of the state where children grow up around guns and know how to safely use them for hunting and recreational activities.

In Chicago, however, gang activity is pervasive and a concealed-carry law would only add to the number of guns that are being carried on the street, Davis said. She added that an educational program needs to be developed for urban children to learn more about responsible gun use.

“This is going to increase the number of guns available,” Davis said, adding that she does not believe the concealed-carry law will be approved during this fall’s veto session. “If we could do something to stop these gang members from shooting and killing each other, I would support (the bill).”

--http://www.journalstandard.com/highlight/x724665317/Concealed-carry-NRA-officials-hope-law-will-be-approved-in-the-fall

What?!!! Gang members don't have carry permits. If there is an exception, he won't after his first felony conviction. What do gang bangers have to do with CCW? Why should an honest black man who has managed to keep a perfect felony record while living in the 'hood (or in Illinois for that matter) be penalized for the crimes of others? For that matter, why should an old asian woman be punished because of gang bangers?

In what way does it make sense to make stopping criminals from harming each other a prerequisite for allowing the innocent to have the tools to defend themselves from crime?

I think critical thinking / logic should be a required subject to graduate high school. I really hope this woman was misquoted or misrepresented.

[TPaine7]

1. Credit where credit is due...

She has some sense and a somewhat open mind. Eventually she'll come around, she is able to think outside the box for a Chicago politician:

"She added that an educational program needs to be developed for urban children to learn more about responsible gun use."

That is a big deal for a Chicago pol.

(I meant to include this in the OP.)

[Logical]

2. If the police can't stop it how are CCW carriers going to? n-t

[ManiacJoe]

5. Are you thinking that CCW carriers are going to try to do the job of the police?

Why would you think that? CCW is for self-defense.

[TPaine7]

10. I think the argument was that until the police manage to stop gang gun crime,

honest people shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons for defense against crime.

No one was suggesting that the CCW permittees were going to fight gangs.

[RC]

3. More CCW, more guns on the street. More guns on the street, the easier the bad guys

can get more guns. These bad guys will shoot someone just for being there. How many CCW can or will shoot the bad guys first under the circumstances or for just for being on the streets somewhere? The odds are way in favor of the bad guys acquiring more guns here.

[gejohnston]

4. From my experience,

it would be the reverse. Every CCW I know grew up with guns like I did. The ones who didn't are likely to go for training. The average gang banger, they spray and hit innocents and miss the rival.

[ManiacJoe]

6. You should explain your odds calculation.

Based on what you have written it seems a lot of bad assumptions have taken place.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. So you think we should throw ourselves on the mercy of the bad guys?

If the bad guys can't get guns then they use knives, clubs, fists, etc. I am too old to try to fight a twenty something mugger, but my gun gives me that ability to resist an attack. In real life, in the many states that have shall-issue your prediction has NOT come true. Shall-issue CCW has not been a problem in any state that has enacted it, and that is about 40 states.

[applegrove]

8. And with the laws of supply and demand illegal guns will come down in price

making it easier for any felon to have one.

[TPaine7]

11. That is actual true, But why should the rights of the innocent hinge on the

potential crimes of the guilty?

[TPaine7]

9. Guns are typically stolen from houses, not from CCW licensees "on the street"

Chicago has already been partially brought to heel on the guns in the home issue. They may be thrashing and sputtering in trying to make it as hard as possible and in defining a "home" as narrowly as possible, but they cannot stop guns in the home.