The 90% scam didn't work. They were busted. Now the Al Qaeda goes to gun shows scam replaces it

[lawodevolution]

The 90% of crime guns in Mexico lie didn't work. Your government tried to trick you into banning your guns by lying to you that crime guns come from US gun shops. Busted. They were trying to force it to be true by walking guns over to Mexico. Busted.

Now the next lie that they just invented with their ongoing terrorist scam that they've been using since Bush was in power is that Al Qaeda members are ordered to go to gun shows. This dirty lie is replacing the 90% of crime guns in Mexico come from the US gun stores scam. They's'a gonna trix those stupid Americans (educated by the worthless US education system) into banning their own rights using fear.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/07/white-house-taking-seriously-al-qaeda-gun-show_n_872413.html

[petronius]

1. GUNZ BA-YAD!!!1!!11

(I'm sorry, I'm just buzzed enough to where that seemed funny.)

[PavePusher]

12. Damn, lemme catch up.... n/t

[krispos42]

2. Yanno...

...Al Qaeda operatives in the US could probably buy the equipment to make Uzis in a basement cheaper than smuggling them in from Mexico or buying legal ones. If an experienced Al Qaeda machinist could make one or two a week, then they'd have enough to fuel a sizable domestic terrorist campaign.

What would you need, really? Some sort of brake press to stamp the sheetmetal, a lathe to make the barrels and bolts, a mill to make the moving parts. A tig welder, maybe? Some rivets?

[lawodevolution]

3. I wonder if anyone ever wondered why there hasn't been a serious terrorist atack since 2001 here

where an attack would be so easy. You can get on buses, trains, go into malls and grocery stores without being searched. I don't think these terrorist groups want to attack us again. Every time the USA has ever been attacked we have managed to destroy entire nations for it. Pearl Harbor resulted in Japan being nuked. 9/11 resulted in the destruction of Iraq and Afganistan, even though those wars were wrong, we did send a strong message to the middle east about what happens when you attack us.

[krispos42]

5. I wonder why there haven't been false-flag attacks here.

Take a bunch of Al Qaeda terrorists. Dress'em up in sheets and pointy hats, have'em shoot up or blow up a predominately black school playground in, say, Detroit.


In fact, if you could do about 6 attacks simultaneously in Detroit, Harlem, Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles, and Atlanta, the entire country would freak out.


The white supremacists/militia types would take the paranoia to 11 (already fueled by the Anointed Socialist Kenyan, Dictator Obama and his communist cabinet of gun-grabbing thugs) and quickly wind up in shootouts with the police, resulting in a larger clampdown and more bloodshed. And there might well be demonstrations in the cities, causing conflicts and possibly ignition riots.



Of course, maybe some of the mass shootings we've had were false-flag ops. If done properly, there would be no evidence otherwise, right?

[lawodevolution]

7. As soon as the public found out it was Al Qaeda American's would be pissed again and

Iran would be invaded and we'd have another useless war or several to drain our tax money.

[krispos42]

9. So now I'm wondering why the Repubs haven't run a false-flag operation, then

Is that wrong to say?


Of course, Al Qaeda might recruit some blond, blue-eyed Caucasian Muslims from the former Yugoslavia to be their triggermen.

[lawodevolution]

10. If corruption is possible and would benefit the individual or group involved

my theory is it will eventually happen if they feel they can get away with it.

I suspect that at least one mass shooting in our history was probably the result of some interested group coaching/brainwashing the shooter. Loughner's brain is fried. Interesting.

[krispos42]

11. Hadn't thought about Loughner in that way before...

...but now that you mention it, it is interesting, isn't it?

[rl6214]

18. I don't think they really care if nations are destroyed

It would just give them more recruiting ammunition in their and our part of the word.

[GreenStormCloud]

13. The WWII British Sten gun (9mm full auto) was made to be able to be produced..

...cheaply with low skilled labor. Lots of stamped parts.

[spin]

21. As was the American M3 submachine gun, known as the "Grease Gun" ...

In early World War Two, the Thompson was America's primary submachine gun. Although the Thompson was very reliable and very powerful, it was not at all cheap to produce.

One Thompson could cost around $450 to produce. The United States need a cheap easily produced submachine gun. The United States looked at the British Sten, as it had everything the U.S. was looking for. The Small Arms Development Branch came up with the M3. It carried the .45 ACP round in a 30 round box magazine like the Thompson, and weight 3 lbs. less. But the M3 was much cheaper to produce, costing only $15 per gun. The M3 looked just like a garage grease gun, and that is were it got the name, "The Grease Gun". The M3 had skeleton stock that could be pulled in and out. It's safety was located over the bolt. To fire, you simply opened the cover over the bolt.

The M3 was only capable of automatic fire. A unique but handy feature was that there was an adapter on a later version that could use the 9mm Parabellum round, from a Sten or MP-40. About 680,000 M3's were manufactured during the World War Two period. The M3 Grease Gun was used during the 1991 Gulf War, as a backup weapon for tank crews and engineers.

[one-eyed fat man]

25. The Grease Gun

As a retired tanker, I am well acquainted with the M3 and M3A1 submachine guns. The first production run was during WW2, as you point out, and the guns were manufactured by the Guide Lamp Division of General Motors. (Yes, the tail light factory in Dayton.) They built about 625,000 M3's and M3A1's in six months during 1943.

Another contract and production run was during the Korean War and roughly 55,000 M3A1's were produced by the Ithaca Gun Company in New York.

I have handled and inspected thousands of these guns while in the Army and used them as personal weapons in Viet Nam and the Gulf. (being the company First Sergeant has its perks) In all that time I have seen only 2 Ithaca built M3A1's. One of those was an armory belonging to a tank battalion in the Wisconsin National Guard 30 years ago, the other was for sale at the Knob Creek shoot about ten years ago. The asking price then was $6,500.

The early version, M3, most quickly recognized by the crank-like cocking handle on the right side, was quickly superseded by the M3A1, cocking was accomplished by a finger hole in the bolt. M3 submachine guns were declared surplus in the late Fifties and some of those found there way into the collector's market.

The M3A1 stayed in service on tanks, armor recovery and armor engineer vehicles well into the Nineties. The ONLY M3A1's in the registry got there as 1968 Amnesty guns. The Hughes Amendment in 1986 prevented sales of M3A1's to the public when they finally were retired after over a half-century in service!

The rate of fire of the 'grease gun' is very slow by most standards, 350-400 rounds per minute. For an experienced shooter you can actually correct sight alignment between rounds. Because of their undeserved reputation for inaccuracy, based mostly on it's crude appearance by people who never shot one, it had great potential for bets.

If you were to offer to do a mag dump on an E-type target at 50 meters, you could easily find takers on that bet. They would generally be disappointed by finding all 30 rounds had hit the target and you would have sufficient free beer at the NCO club that evening.

The Thompson is a finely crafted piece of machinery. A Colt built Model of 1921 has as an elegant a finish and as fine a checkering on the fire controls as any pre-war Colt. The pre-Pearl Harbor Savage Arms and Auto-Ordnance built Thompsons are nearly as elegant. The M3A1 is every bit as effective, just not quite as much panache.

[ileus]

14. You can buy all the parts in a kit, and unstamped receivers.

[rl6214]

19. But possesion of all parts or assembling one is grounds

for a mandatory stay in club fed if I remember correctly.

[GreenStormCloud]

22. No you can't. A full-auto sear is itself classified as a machine gun.

NOBODY sells such kits. They don't exist. What you can buy are the blueprints for an M3 and an instruction manual. You will still need a machine shop, and will have to make it from scratch.

[TheWraith]

23. You can buy SMG kits, but they're equipped with semi-auto sears.

As well as whatever other edits need to be made for them to be street legal, usually barrel length. I've sometimes thought about getting myself a PPSH-41 knockoff. Would make a nice little carbine for plinking.

[Hangingon]

16. Obviously purchase of these tools must be restricted!

[gejohnston]

4. My two cents to the Huff Post writer

I have seen this before, but not as well written. No offense but it looks like you have not done your research. Simply googling federal gun control laws would help. Telephoning the BATFE would be another. You would have found that fully automatic weapons (machine guns) are tightly regulated and have been since 1934 (National Firearms Act of 1934). You can not buy one anywhere without an extensive background check and Koch kind of disposable income. Also, all federal and local gun laws apply to gun shows too. That includes background checks done by FFL holders. It seems that the Al Qaida leader's understanding of US federal gun control laws come from Brady Campaign talking points, without looking up the actual laws. I don't care what Al Qaida thinks our laws our, but I do think it is important that a progressive media source does not stoop to Fox's low standards when it comes to well researched and accurate articles.

[lawodevolution]

8. Yes, that's why it seems Al Qaeda has been informed and advised by the Brady campaign or other

anti gun groups or someone is trying to make it look like the democratic party is up to something.

[Katya Mullethov]

6. Who is this ........... " They " to whom you refer ?

"They" concocted a timely and topical crises , and then "They" fed it to the press who dutifully repeated it in ever increasing volume and repetition for "Them" ? In a masterful play of Machiavellian treachery , "They" even managed to trick our Secretary of State and the President of Mexico into repeating it numerous times .

Yeah ...that's the ticket "they" tricked them somehow !




Now that's settled ...let's get back to the 24/7 Weinerpalooza .

[ileus]

15. they being those that want the AWB back and other limits to freedom.

[Katya Mullethov]

17. But of course ! It's "Them" again !

Would that be our alien overlords ?

[WatsonT]

20. If it weren't for gun shows there would have been no 9/11

Don't ask for facts on that. If you do then you're just another GOP-NRA nutjob.

[eqfan592]

24. Here's my question...

....given that all sources of information that disagree with the stated position of folks that support the Brady Campaign are classified as "neo-con, GOP/NRA" sources not to be trusted, does that mean that because Al Qaeda is attempting to spread info that favors the Brady Campaign position that they are a clearly progressive organization deemed worthy of trust without question?

I mean seriously, on what other topic would these folks believe word for word anything Al Qaeda said? Are they so blinded by their fear/hatred/bigotry/etc. that they cannot see what is plainly an attempt on playing off of those emotions to convince them to toss away more of their rights in the name of a false sense of security?

I'm deeply disturbed when people who identify themselves as progressives lap this sort of garbage up without question, no matter the source.