Stepfather of fatally wounded girl taught gun safety - gun under his bed

[RamboLiberal]

FRESNO — New details emerged regarding the May 29 shooting death of a 6-year-old girl by her younger brother in north Fresno on Thursday.

Jarred Dubois, the stepfather to Emily Lavender, admitted to detectives that the .45 caliber semi-automatic Springfield used in the shooting death of Lavender was stored under his bed in the master bedroom.

The gun was placed inside a box under Dubois’s bed and wasn’t locked, he told detectives. The .45 caliber handgun had one round in the chamber. Emily’s 2-year-old brother got the gun from under the bed and accidentally fired the weapon, hitting Emily in the chest.

Emily had been playing with her sisters at the time of the accident.

http://crimevoice.com/stepfather-of-fatally-wounded-girl-taught-gun-safety-6040/

IDIOT!

[enki23]

1. well... shut up. gun owners are more responsible than anyone else, because i said so.

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[Euromutt]

9. Sez who?

I don't recall any pro-RKBA poster on this board ever making that claim. That the overwhelming majority of gun owners handle their firearms responsibly, yes, but not that all gun owners are more responsible than all non-gun owners.

Satire works better if you're mocking something that the target of your satire actually said.

[slackmaster]

2. Mr. Dubois has no excuse for his negligence. He has to be aware of California's law on the subject.

...in our Penal Code:

12035. (a) As used in this section, the following definitions
apply:
(1) "Locking device" means a device that is designed to prevent
the firearm from functioning and when applied to the firearm, renders
the firearm inoperable.
(2) "Loaded firearm" has the same meaning as set forth in
subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(3) "Child" means a person under 18 years of age.
(4) "Great bodily injury" has the same meaning as set forth in
Section 12022.7.
(5) "Locked container" has the same meaning as set forth in
subdivision (d) of Section 12026.2.
(b) (1) Except as provided in subdivision (c), a person commits
the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the first degree" if
he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under
his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably
should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm
without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and
the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes death or
great bodily injury to himself, herself, or any other person.
(2) Except as provided in subdivision (c), a person commits the
crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the second degree" if he
or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under
his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably
should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm
without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and
the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes injury,
other than great bodily injury, to himself, herself, or any other
person, or carries the firearm either to a public place or in
violation of Section 417....

See search page for California law at http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html

[rhett o rick]

5. A lot of idiots own guns. How scary. And the NRA and the gun companies love it. nm

[lawodevolution]

11. No, you need to be corrected, child gun deaths are the bread and butter of the Brady campaign and

And while the NRA has been working to reduce child gun accidents with the Eddie eagle program the anti gun groups fight against the Eddie eagle program.

http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/eddiekey.htm

The anti gun groups are protecting their interest which is to get as many children killed by firearms as possible.

[rhett o rick]

15. Let me get your thinking correct. Anti gun advocates want children to die?

So they can make the point that guns kill children. Ok, so what sense does that make. Anti gun activists want to save children's lives. The NRA wants to sell guns, not caring who dies. Many idiots own guns and the NRA doesnt care. That's a fact. Not all gun owners are idiots but many idiots own guns. I know a number personally. The gun laws, the NRA and the gun sellers dont care if idiots own guns and they fight anyone that does.

[rl6214]

17. The NRA has no ties to gun sales, to say otherwise is idiotic.

[Starboard Tack]

43. " The NRA has no ties to gun sales, to say otherwise is idiotic."

And the Pope is really Jewish and Sarah Palin is a liberal and you just won first place in Dancing With The Stars.

[oneshooter]

50. Well if that is true, then you can proove it. Right? n/t

[Starboard Tack]

53. Sure. It's not like they try to hide it.

The Official Online Auction Website of the NRA
http://www.auctionarms.com/

Does that prooooooooove it? Oops, my trigger finger slipped!

[gejohnston]

19. Yes he said that correctly. It makes good propaganda, ends justify the means

Some of them said as much. They certainly don't care about the lives of women who are the victims of abusive stalkers or home invasion victims other than bullshit platitudes like "the police will protect you". Or dial 911 and wait twenty minutes to a half hour. The NRA does care, that is why they promote safety classes. Eddie Eagle was based on a similar program called Billy Hook created by New Zealand's Mountain Safety Council (it is now run by the police forces there.) Instead of embracing the program, VPC and others started a disinformation campaign claiming that the tobacco companies (search me, I read the pdf file) were giving NRA money to fund it as a Joe Camel.
The problems with anti gun groups are
they are astro turf, few members funded by a couple of foundation and rich people
no grassroots support
they depend on disinformation, and grave dancing
they are all Republican ran operations. MAIG is the only one that has Democrats on their board. MAIG also has more felons too, and has been in trouble with BATFE.
none of them are intellectually honest. Paul Helmke is a teddy bear version of Newt Gingrich
Yes any population will have idiots, however you define it. Anti gun activists also have idiots and felons in their ranks

Also, define idiot. Joe McNamara, former San Jose police chief and now "scholar" at the Hoover Institute was one of the founders of National Coalition to Ban Handguns (now known as VPC) wrote that only executives and celebrities should be allowed to own guns to defend themselves. How progressive is that? Gun rights are a progressive value now just as it was when John Locke and Thomas Paine made armed self defense one of the pillars of the Enlightenment and is reflected not only the 2d and 9th Amendments, but also the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.

[rhett o rick]

23. I am not against gun ownership and never indicated such. I am against idiots owning guns. nm

[slackmaster]

33. Please explain how you would define the term "idiot" in the law for this purpose

Disregarding the fact that there are a few states that use the term in one way or another.

[slackmaster]

32. Anti-gun advocates don't care about children or anyone else

They only care about guns.

Many idiots own guns and the NRA doesnt care. That's a fact. Not all gun owners are idiots but many idiots own guns. I know a number personally.

Many idiots vote too. Idiots have civil rights.

[oneshooter]

34. What testing and criteria do you propose to prevent "idiots" from

legally obtaining firearms?


Oneshooter
Armed and livin in Texas

[lawodevolution]

38. Anti gun groups do not care about the lives of children--they care about their income

and about their agenda. It shows when they try to block gun safety programs for children such as the Eddie Eagle program. Imagine if zero children from now on had gun accidents or were shot, imagine what that would do to the anti gun movement and their income, they think the ends justify the means.

If gun control groups cared about reducing crime, they would support concealed carry permit systems as a very good "common sense" gun control; however, they only care about a total gun ban and erasing guns from our society and culture, so they go against CCW which is the only "common sense" gun control that has passed in a long time. If gun control groups cared about the lives and safety of children more than just banning guns they would support required gun safety training in grade school and the Eddie Eagle program, but they are against it.

The NRA does not sell guns

The NRA only supports gun ownership to responsible gun owners. Many gun clubs require members to be in the NRA in order to weed out those who are new to guns. Almost all the gun owning idiots are simply people who never were taught gun safety because their parents did not own guns. It is in the best interest of the NRA and responsible gun owners and pro-gun groups to reduce the number of gun accidents and crimes with guns, which is why the NRA puts real money into gun safety.

[Loki]

54. Your logic stating that those of us who want responsible

gun ownership and gun control are somehow advocating for child gun deaths? Is that correct? Would it be irresponsible of me to say that those advocating total unrestricted second amendment rights are basically practicing judge, jury, and executioner for in their limited world view, all crimes should be punishable with a death sentence administered by anyone with a CCL? Those of us with reasonable positions on both sides don't find your inflamed rhetoric to be intelligent or worthy of validation.

[rl6214]

16. Only an idiot would make a statement like that.nm

[rhett o rick]

20. So you disagree that lots of idiots own guns? Good grief get a grip man. I know some personally.

Most idiots love guns and our laws dont stop them from buying them. Every day you read where one of the gun owning idiots leaves his loaded gun and a child dies. Not saying that all gun owners are idiots, but many idiots own guns and the NRA supports that. A few child deaths is considered worth the risk.

[rl6214]

24. You gonna back this up:

"A lot of idiots own guns. How scary. And the NRA and the gun companies love it"

with a little proof of this statement?

And this one:

"Most idiots love guns"

And this one:

"many idiots own guns and the NRA supports that"

Just one cite for each should be sufficient.

[rhett o rick]

26. Read the papers. nm

[eqfan592]

36. I guess it depends on how you define "lots." nt

[cleanhippie]

55. IOW, "No, I cannot back up my claims at all and you can consider them total fabrications."

Thanks for your honesty.

[petronius]

30. What point are you trying to make? Do you believe that given the choice between some children

getting access to guns and no children getting access, the NRA and/or gun companies would choose the former? Do you think all the safety initiatives supported by the firearms industry are deliberately designed to fail? It's easy to complain that laws don't stop idiots from getting guns, but until you invent some sort of magical idiot-detector, it's just empty ranting about the NRA/gun company bogey-man...

[petronius]

3. Horribly tragic, and inexcusably negligent

From the way that's written, it sounds like the the magazine was either empty or removed, but he left the one round (perhaps by accident)?

As much as I empathize with anyone who loses a child through their own negligence or inattention, this is one where the DA should pursue the charge, IMO...

[RamboLiberal]

4. He of all people should know the drill on semi-autos

Remove magazine

Rack slide to remove round.

Visually check the chamber.

And with kids around a gun lock, locked case or safe.

[rhett o rick]

6. Good point. He should have known. But the child paid for his macho need for a gun under his bed. nm

[oneshooter]

8. Wrong. The child died due the his unwillingnes to obey the law. n/t

[rhett o rick]

13. So think about that for a moment. How many more are to die? And are you ok with that? nm

[Euromutt]

29. Why don't you think about it for a moment?

California already has a "safe storage" law, but this guy didn't obey it, and as a result his stepdaughter's dead. What further laws would have prevented this accident, that the ones already in place failed to do? The fact is, it doesn't matter how many laws you adopt, some idiot is going to break enough of them to get someone killed. As has often been remarked on this forum, "you can't legislate against stupid." And you can't preemptively take away everybody's freedom to prevent a comparative handful of idiots from abusing that freedom. Shit, they'll probably do the same thing with the same end result, but they'll just break a few extra laws along the way.

[DWC]

37. I disagree

IMHO The child died due the his unwillingness to obey common sense. If the chamber had been left empty it would have been impossible for the child to rack a round into the chamber. Law or no law, common sense would have spared this child's life.

Semper Fi,

[Starboard Tack]

44. The child is 2 years old and probably hadn't read the law.

[rl6214]

18. "macho need for a gun under hyis bed"?

another idiotic statement.

[rhett o rick]

21. Either you dont know many gun owners or you are living in denial. I know gun owners that have guns

all around their homes. I guess just in case they are invaded. This is just one in many cases where idiots own guns and children die.

[rl6214]

25. I know quite a few

I have taught quite a few people how to shoot including cops. None of them keep guns under their beds.

What does "macho" have to do with keeping a gun under a bed?

[Straw Man]

27. I know lots of gun owners.

I don't know any who would leave a loaded weapon accessible to a small child. Perhaps you need to reevaluate the circles that you move in.

[spin]

7. His lack of responsibility is unforgivable. (n/t)

[Euromutt]

10. Quick-access lock boxes are not expensive, fer chrissakes!

As a parent, you should know that kids like to explore and find things, and keeping your handgun in an unlocked cardboard box or in the bottom of your sock drawer or any other place that isn't under lock and key will not stop it from being found. There are plenty of inexpensive handgun lock boxes out there, and while they may not stop a burglar, they will at least stop your kids from laying their hands on your firearm.

Shit, I bought a comparatively expensive handgun lock box before I even started shopping for my first handgun.

[Logical]

12. I agree. I have a Gun Vault keypad sage that I can open in 10 seconds. No reason....

that any gun owner with kids that MIGHT be in the house should not have one.

[eqfan592]

28. Couldn't agree more.

My wife and I don't have any children yet (we recently lost what would have been our first, sadly), but once we do I already know the shotgun under the bed has to go away. Even now when I know we are having friends with kids coming over, the first thing I do is unload and lock up the house defense guns. I'm going to be picking up a new handgun for myself as well as quick-access lock boxes for both myself and my wife well before we have a child.

[ileus]

14. Ask me how many of my firearms are unlocked right now...this moment.

[rhett o rick]

22. How many?

[ileus]

31. None....

[oneshooter]

35. One for me, the one I have on my side. n/t

[Hoyt]

39. There have been several stories like this. I wonder how many gunners were "trained" by such bozos.

I still remember the gunner telling about his defense class on "dodge and shoot" in a crowd.

[eqfan592]

40. Do as I say, not as I do is common....

...in all walks of life. It is very possible that he taught others well, but viewed himself as being more proficient than every body else and not in need of the safety lessons he taught others.

[Hoyt]

41. Ain't that reassuring when some guy is walking around in public with a gun poking out of his pants?

[gejohnston]

42. If it is poking out of his pants,

he probably thinks the sights are on the side instead of the top and learned from no one.
Question to any city folk or cops, do gangsters really hold guns like that or is it just on TV?

[eqfan592]

45. There will be bad apples in any group.

Given the fact that the number of gun accidents continue to decline, I would say gun owners are doing a pretty good job. Not to say that there isn't always room for improvement, but to imply that gun owners are all behaving in an inherently dangerous fashion is simply wrong.

[Hoyt]

46. Yea, but a bad apple in a group that is already a bit dubious, is another thing.

[petronius]

47. What group is "a bit dubious"?

:shrug:

[eqfan592]

48. Exactly.

I guess folks that don't agree with Hoyt are inherently "a bit dubious" in his mind....

[oneshooter]

51. If you zip them up then that wouldn't happen to you. n/t

[Straw Man]

49. Cite?

I still remember the gunner telling about his defense class on "dodge and shoot" in a crowd.

Care to cite that one?

[guitar man]

52. So sad

Reminds me of somebody I know, instructor at a DUI school got drunk and was involved in a fatal accident. You'd think they should know better and practice what they preach, but in reality, they don't always :(