Wisconsin Senate votes to legalize concealed carry

[drpepper67]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110614/GPG0101/110614144/State-Senate-votes-legalize-concealed-carry?odyssey=tab|topnews|img|FRONTPAGE

All 19 Repubilcans and 6 Democrats supported the bill which now goes to the Assembly where it is expected to pass and be signed into law by Gov Walker making Wisconsin the 49th State to pass concealed carry.

[onehandle]

1. Conservatives are AWESOME!

Walker 2012!

[eqfan592]

8. This is a single bright spot...

....in an otherwise grim political climate there.

[gejohnston]

24. you realize that

It was pols of Walker's ilk that wrote the laws to begin with don't you? You think pro labor wrote the laws? Do you think the NAACP supported South Carolina's 1902-1965 handgun ban?
Or are you one of those Californians that think Pat Brown signed the Mulford Act (point out that it was Reagan, and watch conservative heads explode)?

[ileus]

34. They're right on one issue, I wouldn't call them awesone...

[krispos42]

35. Stopped clocks, blind pigs, etc.

Republicans still suck

[onehandle]

36. Boy, do they ever. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

2. Great news. I'm glad to see another state finally recognize a person's

right to the most affective means of self defense.

[digonswine]

4. DAMN-Now I feel safe!

Whatever you feel about this issue-you have to admit-in Wisconsin-if you carry a weapon wherever you go-YOU have a problem. I don't trust people in general-I trust them packing even less.

[PavePusher]

5. Surely you can point to a state that had a demonstrated increase in crimes....

after adopting similar laws, amIrite? It should be easy, there's about 40 to pick from....

[digonswine]

9. Don't care-

I see a dude packing-I feel less safe. I hunt and I own guns. When you have one-you look to use it. It changes your mindset.

[PavePusher]

11. So all you have is unfounded bigotry? And you want to be taken seriously?

Oy, vey!!!!!

[eqfan592]

12. Oh really now?

If you look to shoot somebody whenever you have a gun in your hands, then maybe you should think twice about owning them. I personally have never had a desire to shoot another person, not even when handling the firearms my wife and I keep specifically for self defense.

Also, thanks for admitting the irrationality of your fear by stating you don't care about statistical evidence.

[digonswine]

16. To be clear-

I am not against owning guns and protecting yourself. I am against any fool carrying one around on his side in public. I own them and I will not hesitate to use them if I need to-do you really feel safe with anyone who feels the need to carry a piece everywhere? Almost nobody does that.

[GreenStormCloud]

20. In the WI bill training and FBI clearance is mandatory.

Not "any fool" can pass the screening. Cool the hyperbole Chicken-Little panic mode. Try discussing the actual bill which requires the FBI background check and training. It hasn't been a problem in the states, such as Texs, that handle CCW that way.

[PavePusher]

23. By gosh, you're right!

Civil Rights should be reserved for the elite. Those damn serfs should stay in their place....

[digonswine]

26. Now I have been called a bigot and an elitist-

just for saying I don't trust my fellow man to carry firearms everywhere I am. God, I must be a complete prick. What is it that makes normal people so nuts about guns??

[gejohnston]

29. Go to Vermont much?

Their gun laws are actually laxer than Arizona's. How many carry concealed, I have no idea.

[digonswine]

31. I haven't been-

[PavePusher]

39. This:

"I am not against owning guns and protecting yourself. I am against any fool carrying one around on his side in public. I own them and I will not hesitate to use them if I need to-do you really feel safe with anyone who feels the need to carry a piece everywhere?"

...certainly seems to imply a level of eliteism. Guns are O.K. for you, but not in the hands of the rest of the people. Perhaps your wording was... imprecise?

[eqfan592]

43. It's not about guns...

...it's about civil liberties. To be frank, YOU are the one "going nuts" about guns. You seem to be having a panic attack at the thought of everyday folks carrying a firearm. Do you freak out like this each time you go driving down the road and see another car being driven by somebody else?

Simply because you are incapable of seeing the value that some see in being prepared for an eventuality where you may need to defend yourself outside of your home doesn't mean those people who DO see the value of that are somehow "nuts."

[RSillsbee]

52. Bu tyou expect your fellow man to trust you nT

[drpepper67]

30. I guarantee, even in Wisconsin, you've been in the same room as someone carrying a gun

And you didn't know it.

[ileus]

33. and the gun didn't attack....amazing isn't it?

[NewMoonTherian]

58. Much safer.

The only time I get uncomfortable with someone carrying a gun in public is when it's a police officer. Give me a thousand armed civilians before you ever put a gun in the hands of a cop.

[GreenStormCloud]

14. You have X-ray vision? You don't see concealed guns.

No, I don't look to use it. I have it in case it is needed. That seems to be a difference that you don't understand. I don't go hunting trouble. I still seek to avoid trouble. But if trouble hunts me up, I am ready.

[Hoopla Phil]

22. You must really get nervous then when dining at the same restaurant as police officers.

Oh, and you do realize that this is a CONCEALED carry law right?

[rl6214]

38. "I see a dude packing"

A little trouble understanding what concealed carry actually means?

[Union Scribe]

42. How has it changed your mindset?

Or do you suppose it creates bloodlust in everyone but you?

[tortoise1956]

48. I agree with digonswine

If I were to see someone's CCW, I would get worried too. Because you aren't supposed to LET someone see your weapon if you're carrying concealed. that wouldn't say very much for his attention to detail, at a minimum.

As for open carry, it would depend on a whole lot of factors - like his attitude, his general demeanor, and other things as well. I guess you could say I would be profiling him, in a way...

[RSillsbee]

51. So it makes no difference whether or not you actually ARE less safe

you're only interested in how you feel.

Do you live your whole life by your feelings? If so,how do you get out of bed in the morning?

[eqfan592]

10. Folks that conceal carry....

...have no more of a problem than folks who keep a shovel in their car in case they get stuck in the snow. It's just a matter of wanting to be prepared for a situation where you may have to defend yourself. The only difference is the stigma some people attach to firearms and those who own them.

[Hoopla Phil]

19. Don't really care how you feel. I'm glad though that the people of Wisconsin will now have a choice

And if so choosing, will have the same ability of defense as a police officer. Choice is always a good thing.

[gejohnston]

28. I have been at eating establishments were everyone

was open carrying assault rifles and machine guns. A few had pistols. Some of them even spoke Spanish and French. I trusted them fine.
I guess you won't be going to Switzerland Schutzenfest.

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/swiss_teen_rifle_festival.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenfest

[rrneck]

50. S'okay. We don't trust you either. nt

[fascisthunter]

3. just what folks needed in this country

politics, anger and guns.... gee nothing bad will happen. Oh and somebody gets shot for somebody else's so-called "freedom". Sound free to you? Looks like a huge cost and not to mention it, a cost that could never be repaid.

[eqfan592]

7. You have no statistical evidence...

..to back up your claims, but nice try though. Also, way to ignore those who have defended themselves and others with the aid of firearms. I know folks like you hate to think of that reality, but it IS a reality nonetheless.

[digonswine]

13. I will defend my home with guns,-

I live in northern Wisconsin-I know of NO ONE who has been killed by intruders-but I know of 2 families that have been hit by accidental shootings, including suicide after an accident. This stuff is a dead end.

[PavePusher]

15. So you base the entire world on your small cornor of existance?

You aren't just bigotted, you're damn arrogant as well. A common syndrome when one wallows in ignorance.

[digonswine]

21. Biggoted? Please-

I wallow in reality-I don't know where you live-Where I live, it is safe to not carry a piece. If I see a dude carrying-I will exit.

[PavePusher]

25. I think you need help with the word...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Yep, seems to fit.

[digonswine]

27. You and I both know-

I have said nothing that approaches bigotry.

[PavePusher]

37. I'm not sure how else to interpret your comments....

"Whatever you feel about this issue-you have to admit-in Wisconsin-if you carry a weapon wherever you go-YOU have a problem. I don't trust people in general-I trust them packing even less."


"I see a dude packing-I feel less safe."


"When you have one-you look to use it."


"...do you really feel safe with anyone who feels the need to carry a piece everywhere? Almost nobody does that."


"...just for saying I don't trust my fellow man to carry firearms everywhere I am."


"What is it that makes normal people so nuts about guns??"


"If I see a dude carrying-I will exit."



If you have an explaination that does not conform to the word I used, please, expound.

[tortoise1956]

49. Hey PavePusher...

You might want to lighten up a little bit (I know, coming from me, that comment might be a poster child for irony!). The guy is trying to explain his reasoning, and I for one don't see him as bigoted. Like him, I don't trust very many people, and I can think of a whole lot of things that could go south with the wrong person carrying a weapon.

However, that is the possible bad that comes with the good of RKBA - and I for one think the good outweighs the bad.

[PavePusher]

54. I certainly understand all that....

but my interlocutor has repeatedly declaimed a fear of people peacefully and legally exercising a Civil Right, to the point that they would flee the premises, without any evidence of an actual threat, hostile activity or demonstrated danger.

Replace "gun carrier" (or its equivalents) with any random minority group, and see what hilarity ensues.

Respectfully, I'll continue to maintain that this is an example of bigotry. I wish it weren't.

[rl6214]

41. "If I see a dude carrying-I will exit."

CONCEALED CARRY-Look it up.

[MicaelS]

55. You have NOT answered the question....

How do you KNOW who is carrying, if they're carrying concealed?

[rl6214]

40. "This stuff is a dead end."

Hasn't been in any of the other 48 states that have some form of carry.

Are people in WI really THAT BAD.

[GreenStormCloud]

17. Hasn't happened in the 41 other states that are shall-issue.

Why should WI be any different than their neighbors in MN or IA or across the lake in MI?

[gejohnston]

18. One problem

if someone set out to do harm, no law would stop them. I doubt it will be like Vermont or Alaska. Dire predictions that never come true is getting kind of old.

[Logical]

6. Great news!!! n-t

[ileus]

32. Let's hope for all our friends in Wisconsin this doesn't get stalled.

[HankyDubs]

44. republican agenda and gungeon agenda

k-i-s-s-i-n-g in a tree.

[gejohnston]

45. Wow I had not heard that one since either LBJ or Nixon's first term

when I was in elementary school.
I would not call it republican agenda, not one of their core values. It serves their purpose for the moment but was not always and may not be next year. Binary thinking dulls the mind.

[eqfan592]

46. It's only a republican agenda...

...because they can use it to beat us over the head. And we let them.

[LAGC]

47. Oh please, spare us the romance drama.

Republicans support one civil right (for now) while trashing the rest of the Constitution.

Some trade-off.

[DonP]

53. What about the 6 Dems that voted for it?

Or are they not "Real" Dems because they voted for gun rights?

[X_Digger]

57. Awww, elvis has left the building..

[rl6214]

59. Another one bites the dust

how often though are they re-incarnated?

Just a few more to go.

[X_Digger]

56. Just got sent this re training..

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/126028843.html

Madison - Seen an ad offering training for a concealed carry permit under Wisconsin's new law?

Before you draw your wallet, you should know that the training classes being offered now won't necessarily qualify you to receive permits when the law takes effect on Nov. 1.

That's because state rules determining what will meet training rules are still being written, state Department of Justice officials said Friday.

"If somebody's representing that the Department of Justice has approved their course or it's going to meet all the requirements under the law, that's just not true," said Brian O'Keefe, administrator of DOJ's Division of Law Enforcement Services.

More at link. Right now, a hunter safety course as established by the DNR would suffice.