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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:13 PM
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X-post from LBN: "Mexico drug war: US sting 'let cartels buy guns'"
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 08:15 PM by friendly_iconoclast
Oh noes, the GOP/NRA have gotten to the British Broadcasting Corporation!11!1111!:


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Hundreds of US guns were bought, resold and sent to Mexican drug cartels in an Arizona sting operation while US firearms agents were ordered not to intervene, Congress has heard.

Three firearms agents said they were told to track the movement of the weaponry, but not to make any arrests.

US lawmakers expressed outrage at the details of Operation Fast and Furious....

....On Wednesday, congressional lawmakers concluded that Fast and Furious, which was designed to track small-time gun buyers to major weapons traffickers along America's south-west border, never led to the arrest of any major traffickers...


Original here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13785080


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Socrates2008 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:35 PM
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1. Is Issa serious.... I will believe it when he investigates the Pentagon
The Republicans are trying to keep a lid on the real dirty secret. The Pentagon is responsible for arming the NARCO's. The weapons Reagan gave the Contras are being used in this by the Narcos.

McClatchy Washington Bureau

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Posted on Thu, Apr. 21, 2011

Drug gangs help themselves to Central American military arsenals

Tim Johnson | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: April 26, 2011 11:07:23 AM

WASHINGTON — Crime groups in cahoots with venal army officers are looting military arsenals in Central America, giving them powerful weapons that allow them to outgun police and challenge the region's regular armies.

The weapons run the gamut from assault rifles to anti-tank missiles, some of which the U.S. supplied during regional conflicts more than two decades ago. The slippage from military armories occurs regularly.

The feared Mexican organized crime group known as Los Zetas has stolen weapons from military depots in Guatemala three times in recent years, Guatemalan Deputy Security Minister Mario Castaneda told an anti-narcotics conference in early April in Cancun, Mexico.

In February, U.S. prosecutors unsealed a five-count indictment against a retired army captain from El Salvador for allegedly selling or offering C-4 plastic explosives, assault rifles, grenades and blasting caps to undercover agents.

U.S. diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks and passed to McClatchy show that American envoys have repeatedly voiced concern over lax controls on military weapons depots in Guatemala and Honduras.

One cable from June 2009 carries a simple message line: "Rogue elements of Guatemalan military selling weapons to narcos."

The cable was sent after a narcotics raid on a warehouse south of Guatemala City on April 24, 2009, when agents clashed with "a number of heavily armed Zetas," leaving five agents dead. Inside the warehouse, the unit found 11 machine guns, a light antitank weapon, 563 rocket-propelled grenades, 32 hand grenades, eight landmines and abundant ammunition in crates with the seal of a Guatemalan military industrial facility.

U.S. defense analysts determined "with a high degree of confidence that many of these weapons and munitions came from Guatemalan military stocks," the cable said.

"The involvement of Guatemalan military officers in the sale of weapons to narco-traffickers raises serious concerns about the Guatemalan military's ability to secure its arms and ammunition," it added.

Moreover, it puts police tasked with confronting the cartels at a sharp disadvantage, the cable said, because they "now have to go up against weapons from Guatemala's own military."

Further piquing U.S. officials, Washington furnished some of the munitions.

That turned out to be the case in Honduras, where U.S.-supplied grenades and light anti-tank weapons turned up as far away as Ciudad Juarez, the narco-infested Mexican city on the border with Texas, and on Colombia's San Andres Island, an entry point for weapons going to drug-trafficking guerrillas.

The slippage prompted the Defense Intelligence Agency to publish a report entitled, "Honduras: Military Weapons Fuel Black Arms Market," an October 2008 cable said.

It noted that the Pentagon investigators determined from lot and serial numbers that six light anti-tank weapons found in Colombia "were part of a shipment of 50" sent to Honduras in 1992 under a U.S. Foreign Military Sales program.

U.S. diplomats were unhappy enough over "lax weapon control" to issue a formal diplomatic protest to the then-minister of defense, Aristides Mejia, another cable said.

Unsavory buyers sometimes approach guards at armories in El Salvador offering cash for weapons, Defense Minister David Munguia Payes said in an interview, but so far the losses haven't been great.

"What has been lost is little, maybe five or six rifles in the last three years. That is different from Guatemala's Mariscal Zavala depot, where almost the entire armory was cleaned out twice," Munguia said.

He said large stocks of munitions remain stashed around Central America from the 1980s and 1990s, when civil wars roiled the region.

"There are many grenades left over from the wars," Munguia said. "If you include all the years of conflict, about half a million grenades came in here."

Munguia's assertions of only minor losses do not do not help explain the case of Hector Antonio Martinez Guillen, a 32-year-old former Salvadoran army captain who was snared in a sting while allegedly offering U.S. undercover agents C-4 explosives, as many as 3,000 hand grenades and several Russian-made Sam-7 shoulder-fired missiles, apparently taken from unsecured military arsenals.

Martinez Guillen was lured to Washington and arrested in a parking lot near Dulles International Airport on Nov. 18. The Salvadoran, known as "El Capitan," had gone to Guatemala earlier in the year and trained with the Kaibiles, a Guatemalan special forces unit known to be infiltrated by the Los Zetas drug gang.

A Feb. 24 indictment against him says he believed he was dealing with a representative of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, guerrillas, and would be swapping weapons for cocaine.

The Justice Department in 1997 declared the FARC a terrorist organization, and if Martinez Guillen is convicted of arming terrorists, he could face life in a U.S. prison.

DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THIS STORY

Cable: Guatemala's battle against narcotraffickers

Cable: Lax Honduran controls on U.S.-supplied weapons

Cable: Honduras vows to control U.S. weapons

Cable: Guatemalan military selling weapons to narcos

MORE FROM MCCLATCHY

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Who's arming Mexican cartels? Maybe your neighbor

Check out this McClatchy blog: Mexico Unmasked

McClatchy Newspapers 2011






http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/21/112616/drug-gangs-help-themselves-to.html
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:39 PM
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2. No, Issa is grandstanding. I wish someone with a brain in their head were investigating.
This is very serious wrongdoing on the part of the ATF, effectively violating half a dozen federal laws and international agreements, but because the dick in charge is more interested in scoring points against Democrats, it won't be effectively pursued.

And yes, we're effectively arming the cartels through sales to the Mexican military/police, which then get "repurposed." Unfortunately, the only way to stop that is the one nobody seems willing to pursue: starve the cartels of their operating capital by ending the "war on drugs" and the black market that comes with it.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 09:27 PM
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4. Issa *is* a dick, but the ATF handed this to him on a silver platter....
...with a freshly laudered linen napkin. Naturally he'd run with it.

And I'm with others on this- Would that it were anybody else but him investigating this.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 09:05 PM
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3. along with the USSR arming the other side, US weapons left in Vietnam
being shipped there.

To answer your question, I seriously doubt it. Issa never struck me as smart or honest. There are a few Dems and some Republicans that would love to sweep it all under the rug for their own purposes.

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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:12 PM
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5. Now CNN
And even CSPAN have "Felony Stupid , Catastrophic Disaster " headlines .
http://cspan.org/Events/Fast-and-Furious-a-Catastrophic-Disaster/10737422274-2/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/15/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Golly .

Anybody seen the Terry testimony on the net yet ?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 07:22 AM
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6. Issa our champion for the rights of gun owners...
Maybe he can help stop the gun grab before it happens.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:56 AM
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7. Didn't we learn anything from...
...Charlie Wilson, Ollie North, the whole thing with Vietnam...???
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:05 PM
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8. no, and seems that many of those guns
the cartels are using, are the same weapons we sold to the Contras and groups. The ones showing up from Vietnam are the ones we sold to the RVN and ones we left behind.

Thank you Ollie and Tricky Dick.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:09 PM
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9. And don't forget...
...Ronnie Raygun...:hide:
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madville Donating Member (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:37 PM
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10. All was going well for the ATF until their guns killed a US BP agent
We have been hearing for the last couple of years about all the guns flowing into Mexico from the US. So it turns out over 1,700 of them were allowed to go to Mexico by the ATF. I wonder how high up it goes, to Holder? They probably have the blood of hundreds of Mexicans and some Americans on their hands at this point. The are reportedly 700,000 emails from 19 different people related to this, along with subtle threats from high rankings ATF supervisors to agents about coming forward with objections to the way the operation was being run. This whole thing stinks, I don't care who is in charge.
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