Security guard tries to remove wart from finger with a shotgun

[onehandle]

A SECURITY guard from South Yorkshire shot himself in the hand to try to remove a wart from his finger. Sean Murphy, 38, lost most of his left middle finger after using the stolen 12-bore Beretta shotgun at a garden centre in Doncaster.

He also landed in court for using an illegal firearm, and was handed a 16-week suspended prison sentence. Murphy was told at Doncaster Magistrates’ Court that the offence carried a maximum 15 year term.

But he said: “The best thing is that the wart has gone. It was giving me lot of trouble.” Murphy, a security officer at Markham Grange Nurseries, Brodsworth, at the time of the incident in March, has since lost his job. He had suffered with the wart on the joint closest to the tip of his middle finger for more than five years.

He said: “It was hurting a lot and causing my finger to bend. I’d been to the doctors and tried all sorts of things but it wouldn’t go. “I didn’t expect to lose my finger as well when I shot it but the gun recoiled and that was it. The wart was gone and so was most of my finger. There was nothing left, so no chance to re-attach it.”











http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/around-yorkshire/local-stories/security_guard_tries_to_remove_wart_from_finger_with_a_shotgun_1_3479514

[valerief]

1. Guns for everyone, even morons. No, especially morons. Whoopee! nt

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[GreenStormCloud]

2. So a Brit did something stupid. So what?

Do you really take firearms instruction from The Simpsons?

[rfranklin]

3. No, but it sure sounds like that security guard did...

Doooooh!

[liberal N proud]

4. Proving that even idiots have permits to carry guns.

[jberryhill]

5. Who had a permit to carry a gun in this story

You do realize this story is not even from the US, yes?

[liberal N proud]

8. SECURITY guard should be a permit carrying gun user?

Am I wrong in assuming he was trained?

But never mind, this is the gun forum and I should know better than to even comment here because it will get flamed for not having the same viewpoint as those who are here.

[gejohnston]

12. Not all security guards in the US are trained or carry also

since this was the UK, where the cops don't carry guns, ummmmmmmmm no.

[Glassunion]

6. Proving that reading is fundamental.

From the article: "lost most of his left middle finger after using the stolen 12-bore Beretta shotgun at a garden centre in Doncaster"

Perhaps you missed that part.

[liberal N proud]

9. He was a SECURITY GUARD

One would assume that a SECURITY GUARD has some sort of gun training and permits.

[gejohnston]

11. Not in the UK or Japan. n/t and In the US depending

on the state. In Florida security guards like PIs need to be licensed. For security guards, there are two types of licenses. One for armed and one for unarmed.

[jberryhill]

20. In the UK, most POLICE don't even carry guns.

[RSillsbee]

15. What permit?

Did you read the part where the gun was stolen?

[PavePusher]

50. Do the other tacks make fun of you?

Do they hand you files?

[NV Whino]

7. Well that's overkill

He should have used a 22.

[Birdiesmom]

10. I'm just sorry he was in so much pain that this seemed...

... like a good solution to him. So much so that he's glad he did it, even after the fact. I don't know why the doctors couldn't have offered a partial amputation of the finger to get the wart removed, if that was what it would take, since he was obviously open to such a solution. There are a tremendous amount of nerve endings in the fingers, compared with the number in the rest of the body, and something like this wart can cause near unendurable pain.

[ileus]

13. Shotguns aren’t precision surgical instruments....who'd ah thunk it.

[Katya Mullethov]

44. au contraire

Instrument of choice for cranial evacuation .

[MineralMan]

14. I think his beer glasses made him miss.

They do that.

[petronius]

16. Yes, I was witing for the line "Police suspect alcohol was involved." but I suppose

that's practically a given in this case. :rofl:

Interesting that a wart could be so persistent and resist medical treatment - perhaps he was on his way to becoming another Treeman...

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[Glassunion]

19. Love u too...

:*

[spin]

21. I keep hearing that gun owners want everybody to be armed ...

but strangely I never have heard an actual gun owner say that.

That amazes me because a know a lot of gun owners.

[HankyDubs]

25. read

"More Guns, Less Crime"

It's a standard 2a belief. Surprised you didn't know about this.

Removing a wart with a shotgun is stupid, but it isn't as stupid as the more guns = less crime position.

[lawodevolution]

27. Yes, views backed by real evidence are stupid but faith based views be smart

[HankyDubs]

28. I agree that your faith based beliefs are stupid.

[eqfan592]

30. LOL!

Says the guy who couldn't find a scrap of causal evidence to support his position if his life literally depended on it.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lawodevolution]

33. They don't have any trouble manipulating data, ignoring other mechanisms of death or

injury and declaring some nations "modern" and "good" while other nations are "primitive" and "bad" as a rationalization to cherry pick so that they can engineer the results, then when I show the trend for all nations my data is declared wrong because I failed to cherry pick and manipulate the data in such a way as to make gun owners look bad.

There is plenty of intellectual dishonesty in the scientific community today when it comes to gun issues. The scientific elites of today are very much like the elites of the past that rejected Darwin's theory and opted for their faith based reasoning.

[HankyDubs]

34. lol @ your hatred of the scientific community

and then your simultaneous appeal to scientific reasoning.

Bravo!

[eqfan592]

29. LOL, try reading it yourself.

Even that doesn't advocate "everyone" having a gun, as you constantly postulate. Nor is that a standard 2a belief by any stretch of the imagination.

But hey, nice try. Maybe if you lose the glaze over your eyes you'll actually be able to read the report in question.

[spin]

32. I assume you are talking about the book by John Lott ...

Which I haven't read.

It might be nice if you could quote from the book where Lott suggested everyone should own a firearm.

In my opinion the statement that more guns = less crime is impossible to prove as many different factors effect the crime rate. I personally suspect better police is responsible for the drop in the violent crime rate. It will be interesting, but possibly tragic, to see the results of laying off police because of our economic problems.

I do believe that the statement that more guns does not equal more crime is true. The sale of firearms in this nation has set records in the last few years but the violent crime rate has fallen significantly.

12th Straight Month-Over-Month Increase In Firearms Sales
The National Shooting Sports Foundation released their adjusted NICS data for May 2011 today. There was an 11.4% increase in NICS checks for May 2011 over May 2010. For the month, there were 696,947 checks as opposed to 625,763 for the prior May.


http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/06/12th-straight-month-over-month-increase.html

FBI reports violent crime continued to decline in 2010

It's becoming a familiar story and a welcome one: Violent crime continues to decline.

FBI figures released Monday show overall violent crime in the United States during 2010 declined 5.5% compared with the previous year. That's slightly more than the 5.3% decline the FBI found in its report for 2009.

The report for 2010 released Monday shows murders declined 4.4%, rapes dropped 4.2%, robberies were down 9.5%, and aggravated assaults were down 3.6%.

***snip***

Crime declined by lesser amounts in previous years. Violent incidents were down 1.9% in 2008 and 0.7% in 2007
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-23/justice/us.crime.stats_1_violent-crime-property-crimes-fbi-figures?_s=PM:CRIME

[HankyDubs]

35. you stole my opinion

In my opinion the statement that more guns = less crime is impossible to prove as many different factors effect the crime rate.

So then if you believe this, citing decrease in crime statistics and implying that there is a connection would be pretty dishonest. So why did you do that?

[eqfan592]

39. You didn't even read the post, did you?

At least not all the way. He specifically stated WHY he was posting the stats, and it was NOT for the purpose of implying a connection. He posted them to point out that the statement that more guns equal more crime wouldn't not appear to be true given the stats provided.


"I do believe that the statement that more guns does not equal more crime is true. The sale of firearms in this nation has set records in the last few years but the violent crime rate has fallen significantly. "

Right there in his damned post. I mean seriously, WTF man?

[HankyDubs]

45. perhaps if you had read my post

Or maybe just the headline. I guess your blind rage kind of precludes that.

I referred to the dishonest implication that was made, and certainly I was right about that.

Let's follow the absurd gungeon/NRA logic to its absurd conclusion. If more guns = less crime (while spin doesn't believe this, it is a standard gun rights position) then ALL GUNS = NO CRIME. If only we were all armed to the teeth, crime would cease.

I do believe that the statement that more guns does not equal more crime is true

And I obviously never said that this was the case, though I would argue that more guns = more gun deaths.

[pipoman]

46. I'm anxious to hear this,

please proceed..I am sure you can make your case using stats from government agencies, as opposed to fiction and feelings from the biased?

I would argue that more guns = more gun deaths.

[eqfan592]

49. Oh I read your post.

That you continue to hold to the idea that some sort of dishonest implication was made only underscores the massive level of distortion you must view the world through as you go about your day to day life.

Anywho, I think I'm done with you for tonight. Take care. :)

[spin]

42. What I said was that more guns does not equal more crime ...

If more guns equals more crime, the dramatic increase in the sales of firearms in the last decade would have led to an increase in violent crime. Between 1998 to 2009 110,000,000 firearms were sold to U.S. citizens.

USA Gun Owners Buy 14 Million Plus Guns In 2009 – More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies Combined
Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 at 11:43 AM



Washington, DC --(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the year reported 14,033,824 NICS Checks for the year of 2009, a 10 percent increase in gun purchases from the 12,709,023 reported in 2008.

Countries By Number Of Troops: Source Wikipedia
People’s Republic of China.... 2,255,000
United States................. 1,473,900
India...........................1,414,000
North Korea .................. 1,106,000
Russia........................ 1,037,000
Pakistan ...................... 619,000
South Korea ................... 687,000
Iran........................... 545,000
Turkey ........................ 514,850
Vietnam ....................... 484,000
Egypt ........................450,000
Myanmar ....................... 428,250
Indonesia ..................... 400,000
Brazil ........................369,000
Thailand ...................... 306,600
Syria......................... 296,000
Republic of China............. 290,000
Colombia...................... 285,554
Germany ...................... 284,500
Iraq.......................... 273,618
Sri Lanka..................... 266,700

TOTAL........................13,785,972
http://www.ammoland.com/2010/01/13/gun-owners-buy-14-million-plus-guns-in-2009/

During that same period of time "shall issue" concealed carry laws were sweeping across our nation.



Surely if more firearms or more civilians legally carrying concealed weapons causes the violent crime rate to rise, we would have seen the rise by now. It's hard to estimate just how many firearms there are in the United States but I did find this estimate from 2007.

U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828

[Euromutt]

40. I've read it; I wasn't convinced

Ted Goertzel, a sociologist at Rutgers, summed it up nicely when he described Lott's work as "an example of statistical one-upmanship." I think you'll find that an overwhelming majority of pro-RKBA posters in the Gungeon don't buy Lott's conclusions.

Which brings me to my point, which is that a straw man is still a straw man if the argument in question is in fact wielded by somebody, but that somebody isn't the person you're actually arguing with. Try and get this through your head, that when somebody on this forum points out decreasing violent crime rates occurring with increasing private firearms possession, they aren't arguing "more guns => less crime," they are arguing "more guns ≠ more crime." And it's not a straw man to point out that quite a few people on this forum do assert that "more guns = more crime" in spite of this being not only a demonstrable, but demonstrated falsehood.

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[bengalherder]

18. He should've tried banana peel first

It's the only thing that seems to be working on a wart I've had for several years.

However, I am not so desparate as to shoot my whole foot off for relief.

[spin]

24. My doctor recommended duct tape.

Duct Tape for Warts
An increasingly popular home wart remedy involves applying duct tape to warts.

Using this duct tape treatment, you:

cover the wart with duct tape for six days (if the duct tape comes off early, simply reapply it to the wart)
next, remove the duct tape, soak the wart, and use an emery board or pumice stone to remove skin on top of the wart if possible
reapply the duct tape after twenty-four hours and repeat the steps 1 and 2

Using the duct tape method for one or two months, some experts report that over 80% of people will find that their warts are gone,2 with many seeing signs of improvement in just 2 weeks.
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/wartsandchildren/a/warts_duct_tape.htm

[krispos42]

36. How does that work, exactly?

My mom has an ongoing problem with one on her hand, so if you could elaborate I would appreciate it.

[cognoscere]

38. This worked for me on several warts that resisted tape, bandaids, and other

remedies. Slice the wart flat with a razor blade. build a small dam of vaseline around the wart. Place a TINY amount(I used a pipette, which gave about a tenth of a drop) of nitric acid on the wart. the vaseline prevents the acid from damaging surrounding skin.) The acid will sting a bit and after the wart has turned the usual "nitric acid burn yellow", rinse under water. The wart will turn brown and as the skin heals, will eventually turn into a brown "plug" that will drop off after a week or so. After that, the wart is gone. There might be a tiny scar, depending on the size of the wart.

[spin]

43. My doctor said the glue on the duct tape causes an irritation ...

and your body instead of ignoring the wart attacks the irritated area and kills the virus that causes the wart.

[pipoman]

48. This is what the Navy doctor, who gave my son the pills which cured

his warts, told him the pills do. That is, causes the body to attack the warts, it worked amazingly.

[jberryhill]

22. A sad commentary on the British national health care service /nt

[PavePusher]

31. So, stupid individuals are international.... hooodathunkit.

And in a country where firearms are heavily restricted, too. I wonder how that happens?

[krispos42]

37. Jeez, what's wrong with a belt sander and a 36-grit belt? n/t

[gravity556]

41. "Charles Darwin, please pick up the white courtesy phone...

Charles Darwin, you have a call waiting at the courtesy phone....."

[pipoman]

47. My son got warts while in basic training

they got large and were embarrassing and painful. He went to medical several times for freezing. The last time they gave him a weeks worth of pills costing $60 each and froze the warts. They healed up and you can't even see where they were..pretty amazing treatment.