Legislators pass bill on firearms (Ohio)

[shadowrider]

COLUMBUS: Ohio lawmakers on Wednesday passed a proposal to allow people with concealed-carry permits to take their firearms into many facilities where alcohol is served and consumed, as long as they don't drink.

The Republican-led Ohio House voted 55-39 in favor of the change, and the GOP-led Senate concurred with a vote of 25-7.

First-term Republican Gov. John Kasich has supported the idea, and his spokesman said he would sign it.

Supporters say the measure is about allowing people who legally have concealed weapons to carry the firearms into restaurants that happen to serve alcohol, instead of leaving them behind in a vehicle. Opponents say it will lead to a dangerous mix of booze and firearms, and Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman is urging Kasich to veto the measure.

http://www.ohio.com/news/ohiocentric/123981714.html

[sharesunited]

1. What is this for? What does it serve or promote?

[PavePusher]

2. Freedom, Liberty, Civil Rights and Individual Responsibility.

It's O.K., we know you hate those....

[sharesunited]

3. I just don't equate the enhanced risk of death from gunfire as having anything to do with those.

[TheWraith]

4. Good thing then that there's no enhanced risk of death from gunfire.

After all, 43 states already have similar laws.

[sharesunited]

6. You mean like Arizona where Jared Loughner gunned down all those people in Tucson?

[krispos42]

7. If memory serves, he was not in a bar, nor drinking, when he pulled the trigger.

Nor had he been drinking prior to the shooting.


So... analogy fail.

[sharesunited]

8. Great. He did it sober. Being able to do it drunk is helpful how? More enabling is all.

[ileus]

9. So the law only enables people to drink and carry??? right?

[sharesunited]

13. The law would appear to promote possession of guns in an environment in which

judgment is already impaired.

The law would appear to double down on already clouded judgment with the clouded judgment which accompanies carrying loaded guns on your person.

[eqfan592]

16. Actually...

...it promotes people not having to leave their firearms in the car where they are far more likely to be stolen because they want to get a burger at TGI Fridays.

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[rl6214]

21. Waiting for you to point out all the other instances that

concealed carriers have started firing in a bar environment.


And waiting


and waiting


and waiting

[PavePusher]

23. Hey, have my police shown up yet? I'm still fucking waiting..... n/t

[gejohnston]

10. I would not call his mental illness sober.

[krispos42]

11. If he was drunk he would have missed more.

Ta-da!








The law will pass, there will be no statistical increase in murders in Ohio from before the law passed, you and I both know it, and it's irritating you.

[sharesunited]

12. Cute, but drunkeness is impulsiveness. Now I understand that the law prohibits drinking.

But why in hell would a legislature intentionally mix guns with a drinking environment?

Just to rub in the faces of normal people how much love resides in the gun love community?

[ileus]

14. When Va passed the law it allowed me to stop driving to WV to dine.

It enables one to dine with their family at eateries that happen to also serve adult beverages. It's a pretty nice law saves lots of time and petrol having to cross state lines. The bonus is you don't have to disarm and leave a firearm in a vehicle.

[sharesunited]

15. You are elevating your ability to carry a gun way above anything a normal person should want.

[ileus]

24. How is a meal at Outback any different than a trip to Wal-Mart.

If you believe in the ability to protect yourself there is no difference.

[krispos42]

18. Because if I'm eating dinner at Chili's...

...enjoying my fajitas and a frosty Diet Pepsi (free refills!), and some drunk son-of-a-bitch decides to take out his team losing the playoffs on my face, the fact that he's incapacitated by alcohol doesn't mean I have to limit how I defend myself.

If a sober guy decided to cave in my face because of my hypothetical Yankees shirt, I would be justified in shooting him. Well, same goes for the drunk guy that decides to cave in my face.

Now, maybe some people can talk the guy down. I probably couldn't; I don't have a lot of experience with dealing with drunks.

:shrug:

But we know alcohol amplifies feelings, and make a good portion of the population surly and violent. It's why a lot of progressive would rather people smoked marijuana than drank... it would make society a lot less violent.

I don't have to have the slighted trace of alcohol in my blood for me to need a gun to defend myself.

All this assumes I carry concealed, of course, which I don't IRL.

[rl6214]

20. That was in a bar, right? And he was a CCL holder, right?

Right?

[PavePusher]

22. And that had what to do with CCW, bars and legal carriers?

You need to be a little more subtle in your dodging/subject changing...

[rl6214]

19. Yeah, I'm sure you are going to start listing all of the gunfights

that have happened at bars by concealed carriers across the country, right?


Waiting



Waiting



Waiting

[ileus]

5. Congrats to our safety loving friends in Ohio...let freedom ring.

[DonP]

25. Ohio! This cannot be, we were promised, given assurances ...

... that Ohio was going to pass stricter laws any minute. At least 3 or 4 times last week one poster told us that the start of the "backlash" was already here and Ohio was right on the cusp of passing more restrictive gun laws at gun shows and elsewhere.

Now you're trying to tell us they are actually loosening their restrictions? You can't fool me.

Next you'll try and convince us that Wisconsin is passing CCW and other states continue to ease restrictions in the face of falling crime rates and no actual evidence of CCW causing any harm.

Alright, all of you gun control people better head to Wisconsin this week for your last "safe" meal in an unarmed restaurant, I can name several very nice Supper Clubs. In a few weeks it will be the law there too.

I'd suggest my own home state of Illinois as a safe place to eat out, but ... the track record of murders by Chicago gang activity continues unabated and now they've moved dowtown to the tourist areas too. In the restaurant you'd be fine of course, but walking from your car might get you shot in gun free Chicago.

[jpak]

26. Republican morans pass stupid gun bill that will get people killed

yup

[gejohnston]

27. you mean stupid gun laws like these?

This is the story

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96034&page=1

This is the context

http://johnjacobh.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/august-23rd-2000-a-day-that-lives-in-infamy/


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/charges+dropped+against+Ontario+self+defender/4380391/story.html

[jpak]

28. Why do people support really stupid Republican gun legislation like this one?

And cheer on assholes like Kasich?

:shrug:

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. Said by the person who uses Rupert Murdoch as a source when convenient:

Genetic fallacy for thee, but not for me, eh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=426176&mesg_id=426176

I'd point out the Environmental Protection Agency was started by Richard Nixon.

Even Pubbies have a good idea once in a while, and should be supported when they do.

[gejohnston]

30. because it serves no useful purpose because

refers to places like Applebees and not pubs. It is still makes it a felony to drink. All it does is put Ohio with most other states. There is nothing radical about it, so I fail to see why it is even an issue at all.

as for Kasich, I can counter with so many on your side hysterical over some AQ leader knows nothing about US federal gun control laws and really thinks you can buy an M-60 at a gun show or Wal Mart.