Bill would allow guns on campus, in church (Ohio)

[shadowrider]

A local lawmaker wants to allow Ohio gun owners to carry guns in colleges, churches, day care centers and government buildings.

The bill would also eliminate the requirement for gun owners to carry their permit along with a firearm.

This legislation, if passed, would expand on the bill that passed last week allowing guns in bars and restaurants serving alcohol as long as the gun owner isn’t drinking.

State Rep. John Adams, R-Sidney, is proposing House Bill 256 for the third time and believes it could pass this session with the House back in Republican control. Previously, the bill never passed a committee vote.

Adams, the bill’s only sponsor for the bill, said gun training would still be required. Carrying a permit would not. Only Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming allow this.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/bill-would-allow-guns-on-campus-in-church-1191513.html

[OHdem10]

1. Can you imagine, sitting in church and being distracted---Is

the person sitting next to me, packing heat???

Yes, I do believe in people's right to bear arms, but
some of these laws are a stretch.

[aikoaiko]

4. It should really be up to the churches to decide if they will permit guns on their property or not.

I can't imagine an interest that a state would have if a church allowed guns on the church property or not.

[ileus]

14. Why would that be a distraction?

You can't tell the pistol I carry to church from my wallet or cell phone...Unless someones obsessed with sizing up peoples pants it shouldn't be a problem.

[The1lifer]

21. Haha

I have concealed a DE .50. It wasnt visable. Sitting standing ot kneeling. So unless you have some uber cool x-ray vision i dont think you should be distracted

[ileus]

25. Is that a big bore in your pocket or are you just happy to worship...

[Old Codger]

2. Oregon

Allows carry on campus for permit holders,actually all schools not just universities. But not Gov. buildings.

[jpak]

3. dupe

and you forgot to tag the asshole republic that sponsored this POS as a moran

yup

[DonP]

5. Is Ohio part of the "Backlash"?

Along with Maine, North Carolina and Wisconsin? And that's just this week.

[jpak]

9. It's coming - the GOP/NRA is going down

yup

[DonP]

18. We're all watching for it - any minute now - not yet - oops more pro gun laws - waiting ...

[jpak]

20. oops more GOP MORAN pro gun laws

yup

[eqfan592]

26. Oops more pro civil liberties laws.

There, fixed it for ya. :)

[benEzra]

28. Dems helped pass NC's reforms last week, and our Dem governor signed it into law. (n/t)

[DonP]

30. Dems also helped vote in Wisconsin's CCW laws Ntxt

[Kolesar]

6. John Adam's bill dictates that men should have final say on abortion.

State Rep. John Adams (R-OH) has re-introduced radical legislation that would prevent a woman from having an abortion until she gets written consent from the biological father. As proposed, the bill triggers criminal penalties against women for “providing a false biological father.” Adams says the “first-degree misdemeanor” would be punishable with up to “six months” in jail and a “$1,000 fine.” Labeled by Adams as a “father’s right bill,” the lawmaker would give men the final say on abortion in the state of Ohio:


In the case where the father isn’t known, House Bill 252 would compel the woman to provide a list of names of people who may be the father in an effort to determine paternity. The bill also would make it a crime for women to lie about who the father is, and make it illegal for doctors to perform abortions without the father’s consent.
The bill would force a woman to have a child if the father does not agree to an abortion.
“That child should be born, not killed,” Adams said.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/07/22/52103/ohio-bill-men-final-say-abortion/

Radical Right Wingers have taken over Ohio.

[petronius]

7. That is a truly despicable and anti-woman bill

It's funny how people can be so horribly and disgustingly wrong about some or even most things and yet get it right on others, isn't it? Sort of makes the world interesting (although I've noticed that one of the typical characteristics of 'bagger types is an inability to handle that sort of complexity)...

[Kolesar]

10. Not funny...eom

[petronius]

13. Wasn't a joke...

:shrug:

[PavePusher]

11. Are you trying to equate a bill that expands freedom and liberty....

with one that does the opposite?

Reeeeeelllyy?

[gejohnston]

27. two years ago? Wrong forum, and don't think it passed, that said

I agree that Adams is full of shit. Would there be automatic DNA tests to prove false biological father?

[DrDan]

8. I would sure like the pendulum to swing back in the direction of sanity for both of these issues

gun control and abortion.

Little wonder we are the laughing stock around the world considering our far-right legislators

[PavePusher]

12. Two different pendulums....

and the "gun control" one is headed in the right direction - neutral. As it should be.

[DrDan]

15. headed in the "right direction" - correct - that is it's current direction

[gejohnston]

19. it is a church/state issue, churches are the same as any other business nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. That's odd, the American Life League considers *their* stance on abortion to be sane.

Which is an example of why I distrust all self-appointed arbiters of reason...

[Blown330]

22. Don't get out very much....

....do you? I do, and most of the people I've met seem to feel that the US has the correct take on guns. Then again, they lived in countries where self-defense with a handgun or even a knife would result in criminal charges brought upon themselves and usually being open to civil penalties as well.

[DrDan]

23. lived abroad for 10 years, my friend and have traveled extensively

through my job.

I think I have a good perspective on how the rest of the world feels about our gun obsession.

[Blown330]

24. Rest of the world...

...or the outspoken vocal minorities like those found in this country? Pretty sure I know the types your "perspective" comes from. I was born abroad, lived and traveled abroad, and spoke with a great deal of people who don't see the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution as something equating to "gun obsession". I have family who would love the opportunity to live and work in the US as my father as done the last 30 years and they embrace the chance to shoot a firearm. I taught a UK cousin on mine how to shoot a few handguns when she visited last year and she's very proud of the paper target she's since hung on the wall in her little apartment. She's said that her friends are quite envious too. Next year I hope that her brother will finally visit and I'll have plenty of ammunition stocked up for his use too.

[benEzra]

29. What you're looking at on the gun issue *IS* the pendulum swinging back.

Gun control reached its political apex in 1994, after the Third Way types adopted it as a way to look "tough on crime" to right-leaning authoritarians without offending advocates of sentencing reform and those opposed to the death penalty. Problem is, they vastly overreached (culminating in the 1994 Feinstein law), and you're still seeing the backlash against that.

Nobody is seriously trying to repeal the NICS system, the GCA '68 tracing system, or the NFA, and I don't see things going to that extreme, personally.

[Bold Lib]

16. A good next step.

Wish it would have passed this last time in Texas.