Western Pa. boy, 3, dies after shooting self

[jpak]

http://www.ldnews.com/news/ci_18397851

PITTSBURGH—Authorities in western Pennsylvania say a 3-year-old boy died after apparently shooting himself in the face with a gun.

Sgt. Tim Michael of the Indiana Township police department says the shooting happened at about 10:20 p.m. Friday in the Rich Hill Estates mobile home park.

He told the Valley News Dispatch that the boy's parents were home at the time.

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[Hangingon]

1. First blood dance of the day

[ileus]

12. I notice the OP hasn't come back to chat about his find.

Small gun lockers are cheap....If you can't afford a good safe(s) the least you can do is buy one of the cheap options. Or trot down and pick up a free trigger lock.

Or the best answer is to always keep your pistol on your side where it'll be when you need it.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

2. This type of "accident" is becoming far too common in the news around here.

What the hell are the parents thinking (assuming that they are thinking), when they allow children to gain access to loaded firearms?

Trigger locks or keeping the ammo in a seperate (locked) area shouldn't be on the level of rocket science for parents.

[gejohnston]

3. it is common around here

because a few posters go out of their way to look for them. That is their idea of a rational discussion.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

11. Actually, when I said around here, I meant this part of Pennsylvania.

We have more kids being shot by parents, other kids or by self inflicted means. There are also more adults getting shot accidentally.

Guns are only as safe as the people around them. In this area, there are way too many people who just don't have the required senses and education that are necessary for safe gun ownership.






http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/501811.html

The incident is the third accidental shooting involving children this year.

In August, Taylor D.G. Batzel, 11, of Cumberland County died in Altoona after being shot by a cousin about the same age.

Also in August, 9-year-old Zack Alvarez of the Ebensburg area died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[DonP]

5. It's an increasingly rare tragedy, but one that some people seem to delight in posting.

The actual number of firearm accidents, children and adults, and even crimes with firearms are falling every quarter.

It's just one or two posters that google any crime or firearm tragedy and post it here several times with slightly different headlines to try and make people think that there is a growing bloodbath across the country when the opposite is true.

Since many states already require a firearm be sold with a trigger lock, incidents like this are usually a parent not using what's sitting right there. Until we find a way to license parents incidents like these, backyard pool tragedies etc. will contiinue to be with us.

Some people with an agenda can't accept that these incidents, while still a tragedy for the families involved, are increasingly rare, so they try and make it seem like it's happening all the time.

Anyone interested in the real accident rates with firearms can go to the CDC website and find the data. I don't have the usual link handy but someone will probably follow up with it.

[eqfan592]

6. Here ya go.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html

You can use this site to look at all the various data. :)

[russ1943]

9. Great idea, let us look at WISQARS data.

#5 Anyone interested in the real accident rates with firearms can go to the CDC website and find the data. # 6 You can use this site to look at all the various data.

Great idea guys! Let’s look at the data, at the site you all suggested.

Unintentional Firearm Deaths are available at WISQARS thru 2007, and unintentional Firearm Gunshot Nonfatal Injuries thru 2009.

While over the loooong term, numbers have decreased, according to the MOST RECENT data available from WISQARS, unintentional firearms shootings aren’t declining, they are actually increasing.
UNINTENTIONAL FIREARMS GUNSHOT VICTIMS
In 2006 there were 15,320 total fatal and nonfatal unintentional firearms gunshot victims.
In 2007 there were 16,311 total fatal and nonfatal unintentional firearms gunshot victims.
In 2008 there were 17,215 non fatal unintentional firearms gunshot victims.
In 2009 there were 18,610 non fatal unintentional firearms gunshot victims.

The FACT is, an unintentional shooting of a person results in a death less than 5% of the time. To discuss the facts regarding the victims of unintentional shootings, by viewing only the number who died, is something akin to the blind mans description of an elephant by only feeling the tail.


The ongoing improvement over time of communications & response times in addition to the technology & skill level of emergency personnel are saving an unknown but growing number of victims that would previously have been fatalities.
In a discussion of unintentional shootings the difference between death and injury to the person shot, can only be considered pure chance.

WISQARS Non-fatal firearm gunshot injury definition;
penetrating force injury resulting from a bullet or other projectile shot from powder-charged handguns, shotguns, and rifles, treated and reported by U.S. hospital emergency departments. Does not include injury caused by a compressed air or CO2-powered BB or pellet gun.
Unintentional BB/Pellet gunshot non fatal injuries average over another 16,000 victims per year.

As to drownings, again, from 2001 thru 2009 (using zero deaths for the unknown as yet 2008 & 2009 figures) there were 68,486 total unintentional injuries and deaths from drownings. That’s all locations not just swimming pools. Compare that to 157,347 total unintentional firearms injuries and deaths for the same time period.

[X_Digger]

10. Notice you left out the rate.. even though that's what the post you quoted refers to.. lol!!

Gee, I wonder why that is..





Derp.

[russ1943]

13. Why do you post? Oh yea, to distort!

One of the posts I referenced, #5 states “The actual number of firearm accidents, children and adults, and even crimes with firearms are falling every quarter.”
My response was also to #6 which references the WISQARS site.
I used the WISQARS site for my data and clearly demonstrated that according to their most recent data, unintentional shootings have been increasing. The rates were unnecessary to make that point. If you would like to know what those rates have done for those same years, here is that information;

Number & rate of unintentional firearms shooting victims
YEAR NUMBER RATE
2006 15,320 5.1
2007 16,312 5.4
2008 17,215 5.6
2009 18,610 6.0

As was suggested I used WISQARS for the information to demonstrate that for the most recent information available, the number of unintentional shooting victims have been increasing. What site did you use for your irrelevant charts? Are they made by you? Why do you have to deceive by using 0-19 yo. Why do they go back to 1999? No one is talking about any cherry picked age range. Why do you think prior historical data is relevant to a subject that has been clearly defined as the most recent data available? What does your post contribute to this discussion except distortion?

[X_Digger]

14. You accuse me of cherry picking? LOL!! "irrelevant"?

Yes, dear heart, that's the same WISQARS data, for all years available. (up to 2009 and 2007, respectively.)

Why do you choose to start with 2006? Oh right.. cherry picking.

Even if we go with all age ranges..

[Straw Man]

7. Trigger locks are ineffective and dangerous.

If improperly mounted, they will still allow the gun to be fired, and you won't know until it's too late. Cable locks that won't allow the chamber to be closed are much safer.

[rrneck]

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If you repeat the same phrase over and over it becomes meaningless sound. Typed over and over it just becomes a block of meaningless text. The OP is just lorem ipsum on an interned message board.

[RSillsbee]

8. Rather interesting pattern though

I bet you'd see a fetus in there if you watched it on acid