Ohio Bars weighing impact of new gun law on business

[RamboLiberal]

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Not all bar employees are against the new law. Matthew Foughty, who works at the Cold Beer and Cheeseburgers location in downtown Dayton, said he thinks it might bring business back to bars that lost customers after the smoking ban took effect in May 2007.

“Maybe (a gun owner) won’t be so afraid to come downtown,” he said.

But Boston’s owner David Boston worried that the hype surrounding the new law would actually scare off customers such as families with children.

“I’m not opposed to the responsible carrying of a weapon,” he said, noting that he used to carry one himself, but he is concerned about the small percentage of people who choose to break the law.

“(The problem) is not the guy who has a concealed permit; it’s the guy who doesn’t,” he said.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/bars-weighing-impact-of-new-gun-law-on-business--1200344.html

[mwrguy]

1. How about the impact on customers that don't want to be caught in the crossfire?

[Riftaxe]

2. Are crossfires more or less prevalent

in states that have similar laws?

[TheWraith]

4. We'll chalk that right up with not going shopping for fear of suicide bombers.

Under the list of "paranoid beliefs based on absolutely no evidence."

Find me a case of two guys with concealed carry permits shooting at each other in a bar, and this will still go from "totally unprecedented" to simply "thousands upon thousands of times less likely to kill you than driving a car to the bar in the first place."

[MicaelS]

9. You mean just like all those "shootout over parking places"

That were alleged were going to happen if concealed carry laws were passed?

[pneutin]

10. Those people were the least likely to get a concealed carry permit

and the most likely to actually shoot someone over a parking space if they got a permit.

By "those people" I mean the ones who predicted parking lot shootouts.

[Newest Reality]

3. So, let me see now ...

Drunk driving is not allowed because a car can be extremely deadly due to judgment and coordination errors when intoxicated.

However, we can mix guns and alcohol without concern for danger? Some intoxicated people can be bad enough without a deadly weapon at their disposal.

Doesn't sound like a fun place to be, but it does have that "Old West" feel to it. Gunslingers!

[TheWraith]

5. You might want to actually READ. You cannot carry while drinking alcohol.

Your comment is the equivalent to saying that because someone can legally drive a car to a bar, then drunk driving is legal.

And you also repeat the "wild west" mythos, despite two things. One, 43 states already allow concealed carry in places that serve alcohol. It's not exactly murder central in any of those states.

Two, the "wild west" of gunfights in the saloon are a myth, the creation of sensationalistic writers making shit up for an eastern audience that wanted adventure stories, and perpetuated by Hollywood.

[spin]

8. That sounds entirely logical but ...

it just hasn't happened in the states that allow licensed concealed carry in restaurants and bars that serve alcohol.

It appears that people with concealed carry permits are not gunslingers and are responsible even in establishments that serve alcohol.

Go figure.

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[Tesha]

12. Please don't try to argue this rationally; this is all about emotions, especially fear...

...on the part of the gun owners; if you haven't
noticed, they're a very fearful group.

And the Republicans know how to play on those fears
almost perfectly as a way to help motivate the faithful
to defeat Democrats. Folks in this forum like to claim
that gun support is a non-partisan issue, but then you
find groups like the Leadership Institute, a *VERY*
conservative organization aiding conservative causes
and funded by the "non-political" 501(c)3 donations
made to the NRA (and thus, by some of the very folks
in this forum).

http://www.LeadershipInstitute.org/

Tesha

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. ..., against historic evidence, of concealed weapons in places that serve alcohol.

FTFY.

[ileus]

6. The law never was about bars....anti hyperbole is all that is.

It's about being able to keep your safety device on your person while dinning with the family. Who goes to bars after age 22 or so? Bars are for kids...

[TheWraith]

7. Actually, I never went to a bar before I was 24.

And almost never did afterwards, either. It's either too boring, or too loud and crowded. And it's always too damned expensive. A single glass of wine in a bar will cost you as much as a bottle does in a store.

But yes, the point remains, that this is really about restaurants which serve alcohol. Applebees, not "Screamin' Willie's Vodka Chasers".