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AzWorker Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 03:42 PM
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ATF Dir. Melson provides 'secret' testimony to Rep Issa investigators...
Interesting turn of events for sure...

He ditched his appointed DOJ lawyers and it appears he is seeking whistleblower type protection.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/07/atf-chief-testifies-before-congress-in-secret-over-controversial-gun-program.html
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 03:49 PM
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1. We'll know if it's a "whistleblower" testimony if we see Holder packing his overnight bag
... and buying a one way ticket at the Greyhound station later this week for the midnight bus to Wichita.

But we all know that the whole F & F investigation is just another GOP/NRA stunt and all those agents talking now are just NRA shills.

Even the Mexican government that wants to prosecute US government officials are in on the scam I bet.

I wonder if any of those gun dealers recorded the phone calls from the BATFE telling them to go ahead with the blocked sales? That would make for some interesting listening. Maybe we'll even hear Wayne LaPierre whispering to the BATFE guys in the background telling them to sell "tens of thousands" of illegal guns to the cartels?
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MyrnaLoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 03:53 PM
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2. good luck with that
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:40 PM
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6. Keep whistling past the graveyard, Myrna....
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AzWorker Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 04:08 PM
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3. "I wonder if any of those gun dealers recorded the phone calls from the BATFE....."
Actually it has been reported that AT LEAST one of the FFLs began 'documenting' their assistance early on in this alledgedly 'botched' operation.

We also know of AT LEAST one FFL wanted to opt out due to being uncomfortable making the sales, and they were brought into a meeting w/ ATF to discuss their continuing role. Oddly enough, they were asked not to bring a lawer to this meeting. But rest assured it has all been documented.

And now we have reason to believe that the main player in the 'straw purchase' scheme was a long time paid FBI confidential informant...

What a tangled web we weave.
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:26 PM
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14. FBI and DEA were in on this too!
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Lurks Often Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 04:58 PM
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4. I posted something similiar in GD
where it promptly disappeared to the second or third page by now.

Here is the Oversight committee link and there is an additional link to a PDF letter to Holder:


http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1366:atf-director-testifies-on-operation-targeting-gun-smugglers&catid=22:releasesstatements


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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 07:38 PM
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5. If Melson has incriminating evidence of his superiors he will not need whistle blower protection
He'll need the old KGB to give him witness protection and a new identity.
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AzWorker Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:55 PM
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7. Tampa ATF allowed guns to 'walk' to Honduras?
Sources say that methods similar to 'Fast & Furious' were used to 'walk' guns to Honduras....

Interesting for sure.

"....SAC O’Brien was previously the Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, was later promoted to the Deputy Assistant Director of ATF, but then stepped down to the position in Tampa. Whether the allegations of our source refer to the on-going Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious. That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain.

"This is confirmed as accurate," the correspondence continued. "There are emails in existence where O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project Gunrunner."

"From a first person source she is shitting herself trying to cover it up," the report stated....."
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:03 AM
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10. Fully story on the Tampa ATF Office running guns.
Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras
By David Codrea, Gun Rights Examiner
Part of 'Operation Castaway'?

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/breaking-news-source-claims-atf-s-tampa-sac-walked-guns-to-honduras?render=print#print



Exclusive Special Report by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea

Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious, it was reported to these correspondents this evening via private correspondence from a proven credible source.

On 21 September, 2010, A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida issued a press release on Operation Castaway:

United States Attorney A. Brian Albritton, Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge of central and northern Florida Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operations, and Susan McCormick, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations, Tampa Field Office announce the initial results of Operation Castaway, an intensive and wideranging Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking investigation conducted by ATF, ICE, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, the Osceola County Sheriff’s Office, the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, and the Miami-Dade Police Department. ATF describes Operation Castaway as the most significant firearms trafficking investigation in Central Florida history.

According to court documents, a group of defendants connected to Hugh Crumpler, III, were involved in a major international gun trafficking operation. . . . Firearms like those involved in this investigation are often smuggled through Honduras and other Central and South American countries before being used in violent crimes in Mexico and other countries in the region. A number of the firearms trafficked by the defendants in Operation Castaway have been linked to violent crimes around the world.

The press release concluded, "This case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys J. Bishop Ravenel and E. Jackson Boggs. Operation Castaway remains an ongoing investigation."

SAC O’Brien was previously the Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, was later promoted to the Deputy Assistant Director of ATF, but then stepped down to the position in Tampa. Whether the allegations of our source refer to the ongoing Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious. That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain.

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"This is confirmed as accurate," the correspondence continued. "There are emails in existence where O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project Gunrunner."

"From a first person source she is sh*tting herself trying to cover it up," the report stated.

No one from ATF is available at this late hour to approach for comment. This information has also reportedly been disclosed to Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee Member Charles Grassley for follow-up and investigation.

Also see:

A Journalist’s Guide to ‘Project Gunwalker' Part One, Part Two, Part Three and Part Four for a complete list with links of independent investigative reporting and commentary done to date by Sipsey Street Irregulars and Gun Rights Examiner.

Note to newcomers to this story: “Project Gunrunner” is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. “Project Gunwalker” is the name I assigned to the scandal after allegations by agents that monitored guns were allowed to fall into criminal hands on both sides of the border through a surveillance process termed “walking” surfaced.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:44 AM
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8. I'm of two minds about this..
He could be refusing to fall on his sword for the DOJ to stop the investigation with him, or he could just be trying to cover his ass.

It'll be interesting to see which.
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:02 AM
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9. Now it looks like Tampa FL ATF office ran guns to Honduras
Breaking News: Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras
By David Codrea, Gun Rights Examiner
Part of 'Operation Castaway'?

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/breaking-news-source-claims-atf-s-tampa-sac-walked-guns-to-honduras?render=print#print



Exclusive Special Report by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea

Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious, it was reported to these correspondents this evening via private correspondence from a proven credible source.

On 21 September, 2010, A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida issued a press release on Operation Castaway:

United States Attorney A. Brian Albritton, Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge of central and northern Florida Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operations, and Susan McCormick, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations, Tampa Field Office announce the initial results of Operation Castaway, an intensive and wideranging Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking investigation conducted by ATF, ICE, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, the Osceola County Sheriff’s Office, the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, and the Miami-Dade Police Department. ATF describes Operation Castaway as the most significant firearms trafficking investigation in Central Florida history.

According to court documents, a group of defendants connected to Hugh Crumpler, III, were involved in a major international gun trafficking operation. . . . Firearms like those involved in this investigation are often smuggled through Honduras and other Central and South American countries before being used in violent crimes in Mexico and other countries in the region. A number of the firearms trafficked by the defendants in Operation Castaway have been linked to violent crimes around the world.

The press release concluded, "This case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys J. Bishop Ravenel and E. Jackson Boggs. Operation Castaway remains an ongoing investigation."

SAC O’Brien was previously the Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, was later promoted to the Deputy Assistant Director of ATF, but then stepped down to the position in Tampa. Whether the allegations of our source refer to the ongoing Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious. That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain.

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"This is confirmed as accurate," the correspondence continued. "There are emails in existence where O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project Gunrunner."

"From a first person source she is sh*tting herself trying to cover it up," the report stated.

No one from ATF is available at this late hour to approach for comment. This information has also reportedly been disclosed to Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee Member Charles Grassley for follow-up and investigation.

Also see:

A Journalist’s Guide to ‘Project Gunwalker' Part One, Part Two, Part Three and Part Four for a complete list with links of independent investigative reporting and commentary done to date by Sipsey Street Irregulars and Gun Rights Examiner.

Note to newcomers to this story: “Project Gunrunner” is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. “Project Gunwalker” is the name I assigned to the scandal after allegations by agents that monitored guns were allowed to fall into criminal hands on both sides of the border through a surveillance process termed “walking” surfaced.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:32 PM
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11. This is getting bigger by the week. nt
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:34 AM
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15. Timeline
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:31 AM
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12. I'd LOVE to see a transcript of that meeting.
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SSDA Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:25 PM
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13. Here is some info. wow!!!!
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