WISCONSIN: Governor signed CC law yesterday.

[GreenStormCloud]

If anybody needs to confirm it here is a link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/governor-signs-measure-making-wisconsin-the-49th-state-to-legalize-carrying-concealed-weapons/2011/07/08/gIQA7bi53H_story.html They new law is shall-issue.

That makes Illinois the sole holdout. They had enough votes to pass it but not the super-majority that they needed for the way they wanted to do it.

[midnight]

1. Now they are going to take extraordinary privledges

against a society they just liberally sprinkled with guns... The laws will fly off the books....

[jpak]

2. Scott Walker is a GOP/NRA Uber-Moran - more Gungeon GOP luv

yup

[eqfan592]

3. There are plenty of dems in Wisconsin who supported this law.

Including some Dem elected officials who voted for it. But hey, nice try jpak.

yup

[ileus]

4. one shouldn't politicize personal safety...gop or not this is a win for the little people.

[spin]

26. I don't love the GOP by any means ...

but I support the right of honest citizens to have the best tools available for self defense. Current gun laws greatly restrict the ownership of fully automatic weapons used by the military which are great for warfare but are unnecessary for self defense unless you are about to be overrun by a horde of criminals.

Current gun laws in most states are reasonable and allow honest citizens to own and even carry firearms for self defense. Disarming honest citizens or greatly reducing the type of firearms that they can own, as you seem to favor, might well lead to a situation in our nation similar to Mexico. Mexico has EXTREMELY strict gun control and yet the criminal drug cartels are armed to the teeth with weapons that would be illegal in the United States.

Unfortunately our own government appears to be allowing and even insisting that gun stores in our nation sell firearms to straw purchasers that will smuggle these weapons to Mexico or possibly sell them on our streets. Yet you express absolutely no concern. You merely call the incident as propaganda by the NRA?/GOP and never present any evidence to support your opinion.

I'll call on you once again to support a fair investigation into these charges in order to find out the truth. Unfortunately, I suspect you will simply ignore this post.

[digitaln3rd]

5. Yes, just what we need.

More abilities for criminals to get guns. :eyes:

[ileus]

6. This bill allows Criminals to buy guns???

[digitaln3rd]

7. More guns on the streets means more for criminals.

This is just what the Republicans and NRA want: lawlessness and outlaw mentality. They have to compensate for their shortcomings, somehow.

People need to focus on jobs, education, health insurance not guns.

[Blown330]

10. Hopefully you'll benefit...

...from the education part someday. You seem to need a little more learning judging by your posts here.

[slackmaster]

11. The "guns behave like gas molecules" logical fallacy

The bizarre idea that guns distribute themselves randomly, so that the probability of a person stumbling on a gun is proportional to the number of guns that exist.

People need to focus on jobs, education, health insurance not guns.

False bifurcation, another logical fallacy. Those causes are not mutually exclusive.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

25. Perhaps you don't understand.

The WI bill doesn't provide for the selling of more guns. It provides that a qualified non-felon, non-mentally compromised citizen may concealed carry firearms which they are already allowed to own. The human right to keep and bear arms is established and accepted here in (most of) the US.

[cleanhippie]

9. Do yourself a favor and re-read what you just posted.

Then think about it for a minute or two and see if you can find where you for it wrong.

[GKirk]

12. Wait!....What?

Please explain how a shall issue CCW law allows criminals to get guns.

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[krispos42]

22. The people in Wisconsin already have all the guns they want to buy

Now, they can carry one with them if they choose.


You've got some FAIL dribbling down your chin.

[onehandle]

8. Conservatives are AWESOME!

Walker 2012!

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. The genetic fallacy is AWSOME!

50 state concealed carry in 2012!

[DWC]

13. 49 down. 1 to go! n/t

[digitaln3rd]

16. so you think it's a GOOD idea to have everyone walking around with a hidden gun?

Sorry, but I don't want to live in a country like that.

Here I thought this was a progressive bulletin board. :/

[S_B_Jackson]

17. Everyone won't be walking around with a hidden gun.

And to claim that they will is the height of folly. Nearly 3 decades of experience indicates that only 2-3% of the adult population will feel inclined to apply for and get a concealed carry permit and that once obtained those who get them will - as they have done through out their lives up to that point - continue to obey the law.

Do I think that having the freedom to carry a concealed firearm (licensed and with a training requirment) is a good idea? Yes, I do.

[petronius]

18. This is a progressive board - due process, freedom of choice, respect for the

Constitution, limited government intrusion into personal privacy, and the right of self-preservation are progressive values.

But nobody has argued that everyone should carry a gun, just that the right to do so and the right to choose either way must be protected...

[DonP]

20. You already do!

"Sorry, but I don't want to live in a country like that."

Unless you happen to be in a suburb of Chicago, you already live in a concealed carry state.

How ever do you deal with that stress, never knowing if the woman in front of you in the grocery store is armed or that guy at the next gas pump is packing?

[PavePusher]

21. Please, enough with the freak-out hyperbole already.

Also note that you are free to pack and leave at any time.

[slackmaster]

23. Straw Man fallacy

Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person....

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

[eqfan592]

19. I'm very proud of my home state that they have finally gotten with the program...

...and very saddened that it had to be Scott "I'm a sorry sack of monkey shit who sucked as county exec of Milwaukee for years but still somehow managed to get elected Governor because the entire state has apparently lost its damned mind" Walker to finally sign it into law.

Why oh WHY didn't Doyle just man up and see the way the winds were blowing and sign the damn bill into law years ago when he had the chance??? It would have been one less election issue that Walker could use to beat Barrett around the head with!!!

[Hoopla Phil]

24. Welcome to your new freedom Wisconsin!