AZ GOPer: I Didn't Aim My Loaded Gun At A Reporter -- He Sat Down In Front Of It!

[RamboLiberal]

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After an avalanche of criticism, Klein spoke with the Arizona Capitol Times and disputed Ruelas's version of events:

"The photographer, who was behind me at the time, asked me to show him the laser sight and I did so, turning it on and shining it on the wall in front of me (away from the photographer). During this demonstration, the reporter came and sat down in the sofa in front of me, placing himself in the line of the laser sight," Klein said.

"He noticed the light, then I noticed the light, then I turned it off. I apologized and let him know that he was safe because I keep my finger out of the trigger guard. Again, that is basic gun safety," she added.

Klein put out a statement Monday that called the story a part of "a media feeding frenzy that is driven by a few individuals who never miss the opportunity to advance an anti-2nd Amendment agenda."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/az_goper_i_didnt_aim_my_loaded_gun_at_a_reporter_-.php?ref=fpb

[ananda]

1. And if the gun had discharged...

... the reporter would be blamed for positioning himself in front of it.

This is called the DickCheney syndrome.

Sheesh!

[slackmaster]

2. That's no excuse, not even close

You don't go waiving a gun around. If you are showing it to people the first thing you do is unload it, then you still have to maintain muzzle control and trigger discipline.

She's an idiot.

[JuniperLea]

3. If the reporter was safe because there was no finger on the trigger...

That would mean the gun was loaded.


WTF?


Stupid gun owners is what turns people off guns.

[DonP]

4. Doesn't matter, loaded or unloaded, discipline's the same

You keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

Besides, you treat all guns as loaded and index your finger outside of the trigger guard.

You never point the muzzle at anything you do not wish to destroy/shoot.

And the final one she violated, you know where the muzzle is pointing, your target and what is behind it.

[JuniperLea]

8. I get that... I've known that since I started shooting at age 7...

Had she said it was unloaded, and I always treat a gun as loaded, therefore my finger was outside the trigger guard, she would have gotten no grief from me.

Finger outside the trigger guard doesn't make a person safe... unloaded, finger outside the trigger guard, and never point it at anything you don't want to shoot/kill... that is safety.

[slackmaster]

5. The first thing I teach people in my gun safety course is to treat every gun as loaded at all times

Even if you think you just personally unloaded it.

[JuniperLea]

7. I took a course many years ago...

And my son recently passed it... from what I can tell, everything I learned then, he learned now.

Always treat a gun as loaded... check.

Always keep the barrel pointed up, and never toward another living thing... check.

Still, that comment was lame... had she said the gun was unloaded, but I always treat it as if it were loaded, and that's why my finger was on the outside of the trigger guard, then she would have been speaking my language.

[gejohnston]

12. She needs remedial firearms safety training,

perhaps from one of these guys:

[ZombieHorde]

26. He is about to give someone an angry BJ.

Not my favorite type of BJ, but to each their own.

[eqfan592]

6. Yes, just like stupid drivers turns people off to cars...

...oh wait a minute, it might also have to do with orgs like the Brady Campaign built on the tenants of promoting ignorance of both firearms and their owners to the general public and the ignorant politicians that they have in their back pocket...

[JuniperLea]

9. No, not just like that...

Around these parts we call that a FAILED strawman argument.

There are too many people with guns. I live in Los Angeles... I hear the gunshots with my own ears. Don't even try to tell me that every person deserves to have a gun. The dumbfucks in da hood do NOT deserve guns. Idiots who shoot them into the air do NOT deserve guns.

There is no justification for giving guns to idiots.

[Springer9]

13. So just who is giving dumbfuck idiots in da hood the guns?

Is that some kind of LA program or something? I've never heard of such a thing, even here in AZ.

[JuniperLea]

17. As long as you have no record...

And you can wait the allotted time... you get a gun. And if you cry about it here on DU, you get stupid questions.

[Springer9]

19. So it's the law abiding dumfuck idiots that you are

hearing the shots from?
That makes no sense, but I guess you would know, living there and all.

[JuniperLea]

21. Certainly some of them are...

When you go out into the local shooting areas, beware. I've witnessed idiots TRYING to get a ricochet sound! Idiots. Fourth of July and New Year's Eve? Fuggetaboutit! I've pulled so much lead out of the roof you have no idea. They aren't all gangsters, not by a long shot.

[gejohnston]

29. which kind of begs the question,

I've witnessed idiots TRYING to get a ricochet sound! Idiots. Fourth of July and New Year's Eve? Fuggetaboutit! I've pulled so much lead out of the roof you have no idea. They aren't all gangsters, not by a long shot.

Growing up where something like 70 percent of households have guns, I never saw such a thing. I don't even see it in Florida, where stupid shit is the state pastime.
what gives?

I'll visit for the diving and beaches, but........


:wtf: :shrug:

[gejohnston]

16. The problem is not how many people or how many guns

the problem is who has them.

Those shots you hear are most likely gangsters and drug dealers having business disputes.

There is a difference:

[JuniperLea]

18. This is very true...

But until the gangsters actually have a record, they can buy guns... and they can buy them for their buddies... and that doesn't count those that are stolen from upstanding citizens who have the right to own them. Whole gun safes get stolen around here... taken down into the river and busted open.

[gejohnston]

20. all of the more reason not to live there

Seeing the gray dome of smog from the air was reason enough for me not to want to stick around.

[JuniperLea]

22. I live near the beach...

Cleanest air around. Los Angeles hasn't had a smog alert since the early 70's... we pay extra for our gas due to high pollution standards.

But fine, you do that... Los Angeles sucks, man... stay out! Shout it out to everyone! Make sure they stay the hell away!

And surfing sucks too! Don't bother... the beaches stink!


Yeah, you keep that up! And thanks! That should keep a lot of people out.

[gejohnston]

24. I saw the gray dome in the 1980s while flying to in to LAX

on my way to Japan. True, it is not as bad as Seoul's. If I want to live near a beach, I'll go back to Okinawa.

[JuniperLea]

25. Yeah... please stay away from Los Angeles' beaches!

We're disgusting! Yeah, that's the ticket! Thanks for helping! :hi:

Pay no attention to these blue skys!

[gejohnston]

27. The least I can do. Glad to see it improved over the years.

:toast: :hi:

[JuniperLea]

28. .

:hi:

[PavePusher]

32. Crazy thing about the freedom and liberty stuff....

we give it to everyone without testing them first, and only take it away if they abuse it.

What a stupid system....

[eqfan592]

33. LOL, around these parts it's what we call...

...an analogy. Perhaps you should try actually looking at the definition of "strawman argument." Might do you some good! :P

As to the rest of your post, do you have a suggestion as to how to solve the issue of stupid people?

[Euromutt]

11. "Tenet," X_digger, "tenet"

A tenant is person who rents a piece of real estate. A principle or belief underpinning a doctrine is a tenet. Both are derived from the Latin tenere, "to hold," via the French tenir, but a tenant is a person who holds something*, while a tenet is something that is held.

Sorry, that's just one of my pet peeves.

* - hence "lieutenant," lieu+tenant, lit. one who holds the place (lieu) of another, that other being specifically the captain commanding a company of soldiers or a ship. There is a word in Dutch, stadhouder, which is really the same word using Germanic rather than Romance elements; the stadhouder was literally a "stead-holder," i.e. one who governed a province on behalf of the king.

[X_Digger]

31. That's, "eqfan592", Euromutt :) n/t

[Euromutt]

35. Whoops, my mistake; my apologies

Does it help to point out that I number both of you among the few I consider the smartest, wittiest and most handsome posters on this forum, and I sometimes get you mixed up as a result?

[X_Digger]

38. It's all good..

I actually maintain a text file of words / phrases that I add to whenever I see a particularly egregious example.. here's the list as of now:

Words / phrases that make me cringe:
They could barely make mince meat
Low self of steam
Whoa is me
He’s in tensive care
Escape goat
use to
ad homonym
I could care less
Tow the line
Taken for granite
A mute point
I did a complete 360 on the issue
Baited breath (bated is correct, but it's common usage)
Chomping at the bit (champing is the correct word, but it's in common usage now)
as a pose to
In one foul swoop
Butt naked (buck)
Pre-madonna
excedra
expresso
living in squabble
supposably
Irregardless
Pacifically
vice (-like) grip (Vise)
rediculous
Walla (voila) or viola
raised to the ground
Administrate (administer)
Orientate (orient)
try and (try to)
all of the sudden
spaded (spayed)
murial (mural)
Certificated (certify)
Deep seeded
Could of/ should of/ would of
A new leash on life
alot
well-healed
anyways
down the pipe (down the pike)
libary
beckon call
Febuary
for all intensive purposes
prostrate (prostate)
low and behold
awhile
contex
conjunctionitis
"up on" instead of "upon"
beyond the pail
less we forget/unless we forget/least we forget
per say
alterior motive
Here, here!
I should have did that
I should've went
Doggy Dog (for dog eat dog)
card shark (cardsharp)
blessing in the sky (blessing in disguise)
rod/rot iron
rain of terror
shined instead of shone
Another thing coming (think)
Point of you
tender hooks
contra section
conversate (converse)
hisself
noone
fixin' to
exscape
hew and cry
heart-wrenching instead of heart-rending (or worse, heart-rendering)
full proof
"to pay in the rear" instead of "to pay in arrears"
on accident (as a parallel construct to 'on purpose')
world wind (whirlwind)
snuck
hard road to hoe (row)
cut to the chase (cut through the chafe) *also in common usage now
griss for the mill (grist)
begs the question (misused, not 'wrong')
cut the mustard (muster) *also in common usage
went missing (disappeared)
sneaking suspicion (sinking)
Different than (from)
ice tea (iced)
iced cream (ice)
reign in
epitomy
gotten
flack
Send in the calvary!
on guard (engargde)
based off of (based on)
if and when
unless and until
obligated (obliged)
Nauseous (nauseated)
anchors away (aweigh)
meteoric rise (meteors fall)
commander and chief
Free reign
bold faced lie (bald or bare)
drownded
Running the Gauntlet (Gantlet) * common usage these days
Marshall law
flaunt the law (flout)
between you and I
on the lamb (lam)
in tact
pack (pact)
vocal chords (cords)
the gig is up

or confuse these for each other:
Decimate / obliterate
Flounder / founder
Disinterested / uninterested
Loose / lose
dilemma / quandary
to / too
Affect / Effect
weary / wary
marquis / marquee
bawling / balling
piqued / peeked / peaked
eminent / imminent
bearing / baring / barring
flair / flare
exuberant / exorbitant
lay / lie / laid / lain
discrete / discreet
its / it's
there / they're / their
your / you're
oral / verbal
Statute / Statue
threw / through
seen / scene
capitol / capital
goat / goad
good / well
sell / sale
site / sight
faze / phase
tenant / tenet
then / than
jibe / jive
less / fewer
ideal / idea
whenever / when
myriad / many
shined / shone
invite / invitation
moral / morale
wreak / reek
brake / break
peddle / pedal
seen / saw
seen / scene
conscious / conscience
succeed / Secede
imply / infer
drug / dragged
dissent / descent / decent
sleighs / slays
born / borne
compliment / complement
over / more (we've been in business for over 50 years / we've been in business for more than 50 years)
dribble / drivel
diffuse / defuse


redundancy:
Over-exaggerate
Hot Water Heater
PIN number
PC Computer
ATM machine
HIV virus
very unique
the hoi polloi
Fleeting glimpse
extol praise
frozen tundra
tuna fish
with au jus
Free Gift
Added Bonus
"in the process of"
Chai tea ('chai' is Hindi for 'tea')

using an adjective instead of an adverb:
"Drive Safe" instead of "Drive Safely"
"you got here quick"
"Don't take it personal."

penultimate - does NOT mean "the last", but the one before the last.

[eqfan592]

34. Lol, sorry about that, Euromutt. That's what happens when I post on my phone.

The phone tends to have its own thoughts on what I'm trying to type, and when typing anything longer than a short text it's easy to miss something like that, especially when using Swype. :P

[Euromutt]

36. Ah, I have an Android too

Even so, it doesn't compare to the vagaries of the iPhone, as in http://damnyouautocorrect.com/

FWIW, I wouldn't remark on this kind of slip if it weren't for the fact I regard you as one of the most intelligent and perceptive posters on this forum. If somebody whom I considered a moron committed the same slip I'd just file it as confirmatory evidence of my assessment and say nothing.

[krispos42]

41. !!!

:rofl:

[RamboLiberal]

10. +1 as a gun owner I hate fools like her

[ileus]

14. Guns point at people how impolite of them.

[arcane1]

15. "He noticed the light, then I noticed the light"???

So, you were the SECOND person to notice that your laser-sighted pistol was pointed at someone?

Nice try, dumbass!

[provis99]

23. typical psychopath. No sense of responsibility. Blame the victim.

[DWC]

30. Excuses are like A**Holes

Everybody has one and they all stink.

Irrelevant to politics, she was wrong and should admit it.

End-of-Story.

Semper Fi,

[jeepnstein]

37. Hey, your boat scratched my anchor!

[Buzz cook]

39. Proving once again that repub politicians aren't gun people

They are just using the issue as a wedge to keep voters from taking a serious look at real issues.


i can has gunz, gif me votz pleez.

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. The sad part is, there are Dems who are happy to let them get away with it.

I am sick unto death of politicians throwing elections their way thanks to a love of "fight drunk driving by restricting the sober"

sorts of gun laws...