I wonder what kind of gun the RW Norway Terrorist used to kill all those kids?

[jpak]

Oh yeah - it can't happen here...

Your thoughts?

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[gejohnston]

7. Do what?

When I was a kid, my mom and older brothers taught me how to shoot with an eight shot revolver (.22LR) my brother bought in a gun shop in Hamburg (then West Germany).

[X_Digger]

14. So kitchen knives are right out, then?

and i don't think it should be legal to make a weapon that can do that.

Summer 2010, China.. 100 wounded, 20 dead (that the state will admit to..)

Of course not all in one attack, but the point stands.

Or..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Let's outlaw plastic containers of gas and a couple of matches.

Or..

Let's outlaw cars..

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/16160/




Face it, when an asshole, evil fuck, or mentally deranged person decide to kill lots of people, there'll always be a way. Whether that's a kitchen knife at an elementary school, a can of gas at a crowded night club, or a car aimed at a crowd watching an event.

[gejohnston]

3. a sub-machine gun and a pistol, but found no specifics

How do you know that he is right wing? In case you are too young to remember the 1970s-1980s, Europe had a problem with left wing terrorists. They get the Lefties and we get the right wingers.
Can't find anything about specific makes and models. Why do you ask? Other than being appalled, I'll have to wait to see what details show up.

[jpak]

6. Because he was ID'ed as a RW moran

yup

[tortoise1956]

18. That is beyond belief!

There are 80 kids dead, and this is what you come up with?

Pretty callous, dude. Pretty callous...

[shadowrider]

27. I'll wait for more information before assigning blame n/t

[jpak]

28. Here are pics of homegrown gun totin' RW moran Teabaggers from right here in the USA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=387436

Terrorist Wannabes

yup

[aikoaiko]

31. You have trouble distinguishing legal and illegal use of firearms, don't you?

[jpak]

33. Teabagger Apologist Fail

yup

[aikoaiko]

34. And you're having trouble distinquishing support for civil liberties for all versus party support.

As one of the loudest voices who wish to restrict he right to keep and bear arms, you help supporters of RKBA more than most.

Please keep posting. You make the NRA look rationale and appealing.

:rofl:

[jpak]

35. NRA apologist Fail

yup

[aikoaiko]

36. Really, you should take some time to read your own posts with some objectivity.

You will be ashamed of yourself.

[jpak]

29. Information here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4932333&mesg_id=4932333

RW fail

yup

[hlthe2b]

4. Oh, I can't stand the thought of any gun-defensive platitudes....

This is a horrific event whose magnitude was ensured by the damned gun--whatever type it was. Yes, of course, there are lots of ways to kill-even lots of people, but scarcely any so efficient as what this guy brought to bear.

Tragic beyond words....

[gejohnston]

5. It was an anti that asked, not one of us nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

10. I know I am going to regret asking this

On edit - delete. I don't want to know the answer.

[petronius]

17. How do you feel about the OP itself? Do you find it inoffensive? In good taste?

:shrug:

[gejohnston]

19. puzzled mostly because why

would he be curious about what guns were used? What was the point of the post? Most of his are of US tragedies with the "NRA" sucks tag to it. It's not like he can make cheap shots at the Norges Skytterforbund (their NRA equivalent) That said, bad taste is an understatement.

[snagglepuss]

8. Glock.

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. Apparently earlier reports of ~20 dead have been amended. He is now accused of the deaths of 80.

:grr:

[gejohnston]

11. bombing plus shooting or just the shooting?

What were you going to ask?

[Nailzberg]

12. BBC currently reporting 7 in bombing and 80 in shooting.

[SteveM]

38. "Ban the Bomb!" Oh, wait.......nt

[Atypical Liberal]

13. Pistol and other weapons.

CNN reports a pistol and an "automatic weapon", but I am hearing other reports of other weapons as well.

This tragedy shows what happens when you have an isolated group of unarmed people at the mercy of a dedicated murderer.

These poor people, many of them kids, were picked off one by one. Reports are that the shooter called to the kids, saying he was the police, and as they came out of hiding he shot them down.

Reports are that some of the kids drowned trying to swim away from the island they were trapped on.

Hundreds of people with no way to resist a single man. No way to fight back. It wasn't until the police showed up with guns that the shooter gave up.

This is what gun control gives you. A defenseless population at the mercy of any violent criminal.

[gejohnston]

15. this one said submachine gun

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/22/norway-shooter-dressed-like-officer/

[AzWorker]

16. Tragic...

"Hundreds of people with no way to resist a single man. No way to fight back. It wasn't until the police showed up with guns that the shooter gave up.

This is what gun control gives you. A defenseless population at the mercy of any violent criminal."


Killed by disarmament laws....

I guess the "leave it to the police" argument is less credible then ever.

[lawodevolution]

20. This is what happens in a no gun zone. The only one with a gun was the bad guy

80 dead because no one else was allowed to carry a gun and the sub machine gun he had was already banned showing that when weapons are banned and someone wants to do a mass shooting, they will get the gun to do it.

This peace of shit should have been shot in the balls repeatedly by an armed citizen right after he started shooting. He should not have been the only armed person on that island.

[LAGC]

24. Yup, clearly more "gun-free zones" here in America would be well advised.

More like open shooting galleries, fish in a barrel, etc.

[Nailzberg]

21. Grave dancing before rigor mortis has even set in. Nice.

Of course, with so many facts yet to be reported, and being a different set of laws, using this incident as a 2A or CCW arguing point in the United States is reckless conjecture. Until all the facts are known, it is irresponsible to draw any parallels.


I don't know much about Norway's laws. I do know they have pretty strict gun control - registration, must show need, limits on types and amounts owned. Most civilian firearms are hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns. But I do not know what firearms were used. And that's a big point, because there's several legal zones that gun laws can place a firearm into: Illegal for all, highly regulated and legal for a qualified few but not him, or legal for him.

I also know they have good access to mental health care, but whether or not this individual had a recorded history that would have prevented him from acquiring firearms I do not know.

Yes, a gun was involved in this horrible act. But its the act of a madman, plain and simple. Making an argument one way or another at this point is disingenuous.


Mitt hjerte går ut til de berørte i Oslo. En forferdelig tragedie.

[Kennah]

22. Its the act of a madman, plain and simple.

I very much agree, but in general such events are the work of a madman, whether it happens somewhere with permissive or restrictive gun laws.

Usually in the aftermath of such events, there's a piling on of "See, see, see, we need to ban guns" before any details are known.

Pretty horrifying story, particuarly as some reports saying 87 dead yet still say the death toll could continue to rise.

[gejohnston]

23. car bomb and sub-machine gun, not a hunter or target shooter gone off the deep end

In terms of percentage of gun owning households, they are second behind us (we are second behind Finland). Their "need" includes hunting, target shooting etc. Self defense, less than of a need since they have less crime than Japan and the cops don't carry for the most part. Only collectors may own machine guns, if that is what they specialize in.

A closer parallel would be with the UK, where many gun crimes involve machine guns.

[SteveM]

39. But...but...6pak is so moral, he can joke about it any time. sure. right. nt

[SteveM]

40. Some additional "thoughts"...

jpak is one of a long line of "anti-gun" posters who fill up the forum with "incidents" of shootings (often miss-edited) as a means of starting a "discussion" wherein he accuses fellow progressive DU members of being NRA apologists, right-wing supporters and GOP-backers. Like most of these others, he is not really serious about the issue; if he could do the same in the "sports" or "camping" sections, he would. But he does it here, using the same old technique. He isn't serious about gun-control, he is serious about getting a lot of attention by disrupting. Personally, I think these folks probably go to some other web sites and brag to other folks about how much disruption and punking they did; you know, like scrawling naughty words on bathroom walls.

Ask him if he's serious. Ask him to explain in detail his proposals, and further, how such would effect a positive outcome. You'll find out quickly that YOU will become the brunt of his electro-graffiti. Common, oft-repeated stuff. (I sometimes wonder if the same person pumps this bilge under different names!)

[Nailzberg]

42. Nothing brings him more joy than a crime story involving a gun.

Gets his heart racing cause it means he gets to post more of his BS. Yup.

[bellcrank]

44. I have asked him several times and got no response, I wondered if I'm like filtered out

of the discussion someway..? I might have some wrong settings or options...

[gravity556]

25. Poor taste, dude.

How about waiting until bodies are cold before you try and spin this into something relevant to the US gun debate, 6pack. Seriously fucking callous. You should be ashamed of yourself. Not taking a shot at you, not being sarcastic, but totally serious, man. Way the fuck out of line.

[ileus]

26. jpak confirms his modus operandi

[Hangingon]

30. My thoughts? Despicable post.

[bellcrank]

32. Will you be happy when only deranged cops, serial killers and Republicans are allowed to

own guns?

[SteveM]

37. Uh, maybe one under Norway's strict gun-control laws? Your thoughts?

[DissedByBush]

41. I'd be careful about the right-wing label

Evidence is surfacing that the Facebook posts were fake.

Just don't want to be caught making accusations that later turn out false.

Doesn't make us look good.

[Kurska]

43. If only norway had incredibly strict gun control

Oh wait

[Union Scribe]

45. Usually you're a zealot. Today you're a ghoul. A fucking ghoul.